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    Default Apparently, someone messed up! possibly 28 days of Ramadan!

    The Supreme Court of Saudi Arabia has called residents in the kingdom to watch the skies to sight the Shawwal crescent on the evenings of Tuesday and Wednesday.

    Those who sight the crescent (hilal) are requested to record the proof and inform the nearest court.

    Sighting the crescent will decide the first day of Shawwal when Eid Al-Fitr is celebrated. If the crescent is sighted on the evening of Tuesday, then Wednesday would be considered as Eid.

    If that is the case, then there will be only 28 days of the holy month in 2013. Under such circumstances, worshippers fast a day any day after Eid and before the next Ramadan to make up for the 29th Ramadan.

    An error in the lunar sighting for this year’s Ramadan is the reason for the shortening of the holy month. This oddity has happened once 30 years ago.

    If, however, the crescent is sighted on Wednesday evening, then Eid will be celebrated on Thursday after 29 days of Ramadan.


    Saudi Supreme court calls for sighting Shawwal crescent on evening of 6 Aug | Riyadh Connect

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    Default Re: Apparently, someone messed up! possibly 28 days of Ramadan!

    The ruling on fasting Ramadan 28 days:

    Question: Is it permissible to fast only 28 days for the month of Ramadhan?

    Answer: It is confirmed in the extensive authentic Hadiths from the Messenger-Sallallahu alaihiwasallam- that the month is not less than 29 days. When it is confirmed with Islamically valid evidence that the month of Shawwal has entered after the Muslims have only fasted28 days, this means that they did not fast the the first day of Ramadhan. Therefore they must make up for it because it is not possible for the month to be 28 days. The month is only 29 or 30 days.

    Shaykh `Abdul-`Azeez Bin Baz

    Fatawa Islamiyah Page no.234 Vol: 2

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    Default Re: Apparently, someone messed up! possibly 28 days of Ramadan!

    Wifaaq al-Ulema, Crescentwatch, ICOP and Moonsighting are saying Eid is on 8th or 9th. Visibility charts indicate that the moon is not visible anywhere in the World tonight (6th Aug) and that it will only be visible tomorrow night (7th Aug) onwards.

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    Default Re: Apparently, someone messed up! possibly 28 days of Ramadan!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Milk Sheikh View Post
    Wifaaq al-Ulema, Crescentwatch, ICOP and Moonsighting are saying Eid is on 8th or 9th. Visibility charts indicate that the moon is not visible anywhere in the World tonight (6th Aug) and that it will only be visible tomorrow night (7th Aug) onwards.
    they can roll their sighting charts up real tight and stick em where the moon don't shine, I'll stick to the sunnah way thank you very much.

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    Don't worry someone will be sticking ther batty out so mans can shout "we've seen the moon jamal's batty is in full force!"
    "Sit with one whose limbs address you, not his mouth." Sahl ibn `Abd Allah ibn Yunus, Abu Muhammad al-Tustari (d. 283), may Allah be well-pleased with him.

    قال إبن عمر: "ولا يكن في قولك فضل على فعلك" ,أخرج البيهقي: شعب الإيمان وابن حجر العسقلاني: الإصابة في تمييز الصحابة

    Ibn 'Umar said: "And do not let your words be in excess to your actions", Al-Baihaqi: Shu'ab al-Imaan and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: Al-Isaabah fee Taymeez as-Sahaaba



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Saalehah View Post
    they can roll their sighting charts up real tight and stick em where the moon don't shine, I'll stick to the sunnah way thank you very much.
    And what is the sunnah? To claim you have seen the moon while millions of other people around the world haven't seen it and went out just like them? Do you even know the conditions to accept the shahada of a half-blinded bedouin who claimed to have seen the moon while this is astronomically impossible? What did he actually see? The old or the new moon?

    Please tell us which glasses these Saudi's use! Must be some laser eyes. Every year Saudi messes up the moonsighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiseUp View Post
    And what is the sunnah? To claim you have seen the moon while millions of other people around the world haven't seen it and went out just like them? Do you even know the conditions to accept the shahada of a half-blinded bedouin who claimed to have seen the moon while this is astronomically impossible? What did he actually see? The old or the new moon?

    Please tell us which glasses these Saudi's use! Must be some laser eyes. Every year Saudi messes up the moonsighting!
    No, its not the glasses man, its carrot soup. Lots and lots of it.

    Abu Saalehah I think that the "sticking to the sunnah" argument is indefensible when you get occasions where Saudi see a new moon and no one else in the world sees it. It is a natural phenomenon that if the crescent is viewable in Saudi it should be visible all points West of Saudi right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuSulaiman View Post
    No, its not the glasses man, its carrot soup. Lots and lots of it.

    Abu Saalehah I think that the "sticking to the sunnah" argument is indefensible when you get occasions where Saudi see a new moon and no one else in the world sees it. It is a natural phenomenon that if the crescent is viewable in Saudi it should be visible all points West of Saudi right?
    if they've said they've seen it, the person is considered trustworthy and witnesses produced to prove that, and the qadi has confirmed it then that is good enough for me.

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    Default Re: Apparently, someone messed up! possibly 28 days of Ramadan!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Saalehah View Post
    if they've said they've seen it, the person is considered trustworthy and witnesses produced to prove that, and the qadi has confirmed it then that is good enough for me.
    But with all the tech in the world, these guys messed up... now one Saum will be Kaza... Alhamdulilah for every thing.


    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-article-display-1.asp?xfile=data/nationgeneral/2013/August/nationgeneral_August56.xml&section=nationgeneral


    This year’s Ramadan could end in 28 days as Saudi’s supreme court has asked Muslims across the country to look for the new moon today evening.

    Sighting the moon later today would mean Muslims could celebrate Eid Ul Fitr on Wednesday which would correct an earlier moon-sighting error.

    According to newspapers in Saudi, a statement issued by the court read, “Those who witness the moon should inform the nearest court. If the moon was not sighted on Tuesday, they should look for it on Wednesday evening.”

    Previously, Eid-Ul-Fitr was expected to fall on either Thursday or Friday. It is believed an error in the lunar citing to mark the onset of Ramadan has caused the confusion. The odd event has happened only once in 30 years. The last time Ramadan ended in 28 days was in 1984.

    Muslims across the world follow the lunar calendar which marks the onset of a new month based on the sighting of the new moon. More details to follow.
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