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    Default re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Kindly change the title back to what it was. You mods need some guidance.

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    Harris, kindly give your comment on the explanation of Sulaiman ibn Sahman.

    I have answered your questions more then one week ago, but you ignore the fact when somebody replays to you.


    قال الشيخ سليمان بن سمحان عندما سئل عن التحاكم إلى الطاغوت بحجة الاضطرار ، قال - الدرر السنية ، جزء حكم المرتد ، ص275
    المقام الثاني : أن يقال إذا عرفت أن التحاكم إلى الطاغوت كفر ، فقد ذكر الله في كتابه أن الكفر أكبر من القتل ، قال تعالى: (والفتنة أكبر من القتل) ، وقال: (والفتنة أشد من القتل) ، والفتنة هي الكفر ، فلو اقتتلت البادية والحاضرة حتى يذهبوا لكان أهون من أن ينصبوا في الأرض طاغوتا يحكم بخلاف شريعة الإسلام ، التي بعث الله بها رسوله
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    المقام الثالث : أن نقول إذا كان التحاكم كفراً ، والنزاع إنما يكون لأجل الدنيا ، فكيف يجوز أن تكفر لأجل ذلك ، فإنه لا يؤمن أحد حتى يكون الله ورسوله أحب إليهما مما سواهما ، وحتى يكون الرسول أحب إليه من ولده ووالده والناس أجمعين ، فلو ذهبت دنياك كلّها لما جاز المحاكمة إلى الطاغوت لأجلها ، ولو اضطرك أحد وخيّرك بين أن تحاكم إلى الطاغوت أو تبذل دنياك لوجب عليك البذل ، ولم يجز لك المحاكمة إلى الطاغوت والله أعلم" اهـ
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    1. What if someone usurped a substantial amount of your money in the UK. What would you do?
    المقام الثالث : أن نقول إذا كان التحاكم كفراً ، والنزاع إنما يكون لأجل الدنيا ، فكيف يجوز أن تكفر لأجل ذلك ، فإنه لا يؤمن أحد حتى يكون الله ورسوله أحب إليهما مما سواهما ، وحتى يكون الرسول أحب إليه من ولده ووالده والناس أجمعين ، فلو ذهبت دنياك كلّها لما جاز المحاكمة إلى الطاغوت لأجلها ، ولو اضطرك أحد وخيّرك بين أن تحاكم إلى الطاغوت أو تبذل دنياك لوجب عليك البذل ، ولم يجز لك المحاكمة إلى الطاغوت والله أعلم" اهـ
    الإسلام: هو الاستسلام لله بالتوحيد، والانقياد له بالطاعة، والبراءة من الشرك وأهله

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    Default re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Harris Hammam View Post
    You mods need some guidance.
    Make du'a for me shaykh
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    Default re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Al-Tawheed, I already responded to you:
    http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f...tml#post452106

    You never responded to that. Show me where you responded to that.

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    Default re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    ok so whats the current topic about? im not reading through 54 pages to find out.

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    Default Re: Takfir for going to court and other Khariji antics

    It's about Takfir for going to court and other Khariji antics.

    It's not about Takfir of those who go to court without ikraah and other related issues.

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    oh boy. i hope i dont get slammed for this but i got a silly question.

    whats ikraah?

    also i thought it wasent allowed to goto kaffir courts unless ofcourse your the defendant?

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    Default re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Quote Originally Posted by learn arabic View Post
    oh boy. i hope i dont get slammed for this but i got a silly question.

    whats ikraah?

    also i thought it wasent allowed to goto kaffir courts unless ofcourse your the defendant?
    Compulsion.

    From what I've learned Tahaakum ila Ghayri Allaah is Shirk Akbar - and Dharoorah is not a maani' from the mawaani' of Takfeer.

    But I'm reading the explanations of the brothers... best to take a seat and read if you you are jaahil on the topic like myself.
    Last edited by Aboo Shayba; 6th April 2011 at 07:43 PM.
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    Since particular members on this forum have lost their sense of being just to all regardless of affiliation, and believe that for some there is no justice, and if you do give justice to those who deserve no justice then you yourself are counted as being one who sides with them, defends them, shows sympathy to them. I therefore, must clarify and make clear that
    i am ANTI-ISIS!
    - now can we please stop whining?

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    jazzakAllah khair.

    ill just be lurking in this thread now lol.

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    Default Re: Takfir for going to court and other Khariji antics

    Quote Originally Posted by Harris Hammam View Post
    It's not about Takfir of those who go to court without ikraah and other related issues.
    To be fair, yes it is and you confirmed this in post #465.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harris Hammam View Post
    This thread has been all about the courts.
    The reason why I changed the title of the thread is because;

    1) Abumuwahid made a complaint regarding the title of the thread and raised a valid point.

    2) The title of the thread had a preconceived notion of the person you was debating (i.e. khariji). However right you may be, if you want to keep this debate balanced and want neutral people to have a look at this thread with an open mind and pick the right decision then things like that title will not help. There is no benefit in giving any reason for people to disagree with you even it be due to the title of this thread (i.e saying it is biased, calling him khariji etc). Let's be fair Insha'Allaah.
    Last edited by Hamza Patterson; 6th April 2011 at 08:23 PM.
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