Bin laden gives new message

[Awakened]

damn just found out keith floyd's dead too...another one bites the dust!

[muslim_analyst]

This is really funny whoever posted above about O. bin Laden.

You know i heard according to CIA -> Osama bin Laden had a drink from the rare indian magic potion called Amrut. This Amrut will keep him alive forever. Basically he will be immortal. Also, CIA claims that OSAMA BIN LADEN has special powers. He appears in many muslim countries at the same time. Last time he appeared in Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.... Afghanistan and Iraq were attacked and taken 300 years back into time. Alot of innocent muslims or humans (for intelligence agents reading this post) lost lives including kids, and women for no reason. But Iran was not invaded by we think IRAN is lying by saying that don't have nooclear (bush way of saying nuclear) bomb. We believe IRAN is just pretending but in reality they have the bomb. latest reports says Bin Laden will again appear in Syria and Yemen and again we will take those two muslim countries back in time.

And Bin Laden every here and then releases a new video or audio or excellent articles. If you analyse those articles you will notice those articles don't have any mistakes and are written like someone writing for him and has Ph.D in mass communication skills or journalism..

That Amrut took care of Bin Laden's kidney failures.

here is a hollywood production of Bin laden.

Pretty much any piece of video that has ever been recorded is becoming clip art that producers can digitally sculpt into the story they want to tell, according to Eric Haseltine, senior vice president for R&D at Walt Disney Imagineering in Glendale, Calif. With additional video manipulation technologies, previously recorded actors can be made to say and do things they have never actually done or said. "You can have dead actors star again in entirely new movies," says Haseltine. [techreview.com]

The Fake 2004
Bin Laden Video Tape

Prophetic words, 17 December, 2003: Madeleine Albright: Bush Planning Bin Laden October Surprise

October 30, 2004: Bin Laden video threatens America

Close (closer than the last phony) but no cigar. Note the shape of the cheeks and the width of the nose. His arms and hands are in view and appear uninjured, whereas it was reported that the real Osama's left arm was severely injured at Tora Bora.

Real Osamas

The genuine bin Laden's last video appearance was late in 2001: "The big difference is that he's aged enormously between '97 and October of last year [2001]. ... So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems." [CNN 2/1/2002]Bin Laden's beard was much whiter than on Nov 3, the last time al-Jazeera broadcast a video of him, and he appeared much older than his 44 years. Lack of sunlight and a poor diet seemed to have taken a toll on him. [Telegraph 12/28/2001] Bin Laden "aged enormously" between 1997 & 2001 due to kidney problems, lack of sunlight and a poor diet, but between 2001 & 2004 he "unaged". Truly amazing. President Bush said of the 2004 tape... "Let me make this very clear. Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this." The American people were at war and would prevail, he said. [BBC News] ...this is somewhat different to the Bush administration's response to the genuine bin Laden video released in 2001: The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead. "He could have made the video and then ordered that it be released in the event of his death," said one White House aide. [Telegraph] The 2004 video certainly helped Bush's election poll numbers: President Bush has opened a six-point lead over John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the new Osama bin Laden videotape was broadcast on Friday night. [Telegraph 10/31/04] Even Walter Cronkite found the video incredibly convenient for the Bush administration. Consider this: if this was the real Osama, didn't his appearance prove that Bush has wasted two hundred billion dollars and a thousand American lives (plus 100,000 Iraqi lives) without making us any safer from Osama? If the 2004 tape were genuine, wouldn't it prove that Bush is a total failure in his own "war on terror"?

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Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper: al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633 News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

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P.S. I am not making fun of Bin Laden, but all those who buy and consume whatever is fed to them by CIA

[muslim_analyst]

The Fake 2001 bin Laden
Video Tape

A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001: The tape bore a label indicating it was made on November 9. Administration officials wouldn't reveal exactly how or when they got it, except to say it was found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. [Online NewsHour] The videotape was supposedly physically located.

The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey). Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing? Here's what was said of the "lucky find":

Satellite photo of Jalalabad. Population ~150,000 Click for full sized image

"For those who see this tape, they'll realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, he has no conscience and no soul, that he represents the worst of civilisation," said President George W Bush. US Senator Ron Wyden, who has also seen the tape, says he hopes it will remove suspicions in countries such as Pakistan that the 11 September attacks were an Israeli plot aimed at drawing the US into a war with Islamic countries. [BBC News]

The video was very effective in diverting media attention away from the deportation of five Israelis who danced as the twin towers burned - "Osama" certainly picks his moments to appear.

Details of the videotape - includes full video and transcript.

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose?

The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. This annoyed President Bush:

"It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored," he said during a brief photo opportunity with the prime minister of Thailand. "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man." [CNN]

Okay, let's take a closer look at bin Laden and his views.
The following is an extract from bin Laden's September 28, 2001 denial of involvement in the 9/11 attacks...

"This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word." [Public Action]

...and his views were the same in 1998:

"We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests, not the interests of the Jews." [American Free Press]

The above demonstrates that bin Laden publicly aired very strong views about Israel and Jews when he was given the chance.
Below are still images from bin Laden videos released in 2001. The images are in chronological order. A point to note about bin Laden is he was suffering renal failure...

Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]

...therefore his health in the videos is very relevant.

Click for full sized image.

Videos 1, 2 and 4 show the real bin Laden, video 3 shows the "lucky find" bin Laden.
Points of note regarding the videos:

	Video #1	Video #2	Video #3	Video #4
Beard color below bottom lip	White	White	Black	White
Jews/Israel/Palestine mentioned	Yes	Yes	No	Yes
Muslim suffering mentioned	Yes	Yes	No	Yes
Health	Good	Deteriorating	Good	Poor

The "bin Laden" in video #3 has the wrong beard color, and his views and health are inconsistent with those of the real bin Laden. Also, if video #3 was a true bin Laden confession then why didn't he attribute 9/11 to avenging the suffering of Muslims, especially since America was attacking the country in which he was living?
The poor image quality of video #3 stands out when compared to the genuine bin Laden videos. There is also excessive noise on the video's audio track, making it impossible to really hear what is being said. Given that the tape was recorded in an area supposedly devoid of audio urban signature there should have been little ambient noise, yet the speech is masked with a great deal of noise.
There is clearly good reason to doubt the November 9 tape.
This was not the first video claiming to show Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks...

[Video] footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. ... The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday. [Telegraph 11/11/01]

...and this never-to-be-seen video also appeared right on cue:

Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws. [Telegraph 11/11/2001]

Even hard line secular Pakistanis were unconvinced by the released bin Laden video tape. Iqbal Haider, a former senator from the party of ousted prime minister Benazir Bhutto, said he found it hard to believe that bin Laden would allow himself to be filmed confessing to the crime. "It is hard to believe that a man who masterminds the September attacks with such secrecy and finesse could be that stupid and imprudent," he said. "I hate Osama and the Taliban because they inflicted incalculable damage on Muslims ... but it is hard to digest that he can be such a fool."

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden's Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." [Muckraker Report]

The above demonstrates the bin Laden "confession video" was a propaganda exercise created to justify the pursuit of a preplanned war.

[muslim_analyst]

10/16/2002: Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported.[World Tribune]

The Fake bin Laden
Audio Tape

11/19/2002: United States intelligence officials have concluded that a recently recorded audiotape that was broadcast on an Arab television network last week is genuine and contains the voice of Osama bin Laden, apparently ending months of debate in the government over whether the elusive terrorist leader is still alive. [New York Times]

11/30/2002 - Swiss scientists: "The recording is a fake"

Scientists in Switzerland say they are almost certain that an audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden is a fake. ... Researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.

In a study commissioned by France 2 television, researchers built a computer model of Bin Laden's voice, based on an hour of genuine recordings. Using voice recognition systems being developed for banking security, they tested the model against 20 known recordings of Bin Laden. The system correctly identified his voice in 19 of them.
This meant there was only a 5% risk of error in their conclusion that the latest tape is a fake, Professor Hervé Bourlard, the institute's director, told the Guardian yesterday. [Guardian]

12/2/2003 - Swiss Scientists: "Oops. We won't verify other tapes"

Swiss researchers who last November analysed a tape attributed to Osama bin Laden say they won’t be scrutinising the latest recording broadcast by the Arabic television network, Al-Jazeera. The Swiss analysts said the previous tape was almost certainly faked, despite US claims to the contrary. The Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence (Idiap) in Martigny told swissinfo on Wednesday that it had no intention of analysing the latest tape. [swissinfo]

Voice Cloning - Software Recreates Voices Of Living & Dead

[yezeed]

Akhi, why do you believe he{Allah preserve him} is dead?

I can get you the original video in Arabic and I can get you a video with English subtitles. The shaykh breaks it down brother.

Asalamu alaikum , i'm not here to mock o.b.l. , i believe he WAS a great muslim . But no-one has seen him since 2002 , and although many tapes have been issued , these tapes have no content . It is of no use to keep threatening america and then not carrying out your threat . In one message last year he advised us to read a book by a jew , promoted the holohoax and then told us how muslims and jews are living in harmony in morocco - all in one message ! And how come al-qaida can attack bali , madrid , london , istanbul and new york , yet have
NEVER managed to attack ISRAEL . And why do they keep attacking civillians , have they never heard the theory START AT THE TOP AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN . And finally , instead of threatening america , why does he not tell them their dollar is worthless and is about to collapse , america will spend it's way to ruin with it's worthless fake paper money and that america is the next zimbabwe , then i might believe he was alive .

[Hajjaj]

PROOF!

[Noorah]

i highly doubt its him..read about it...why would he imply hes up for a truce??? doesnt make sense

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8253827.stm

i mean this part:

If you stop the war, then fine. Otherwise we will have no choice but to continue our war of attrition on every front [...] If you choose safety and stopping wars, as opinion polls show you do, then we are ready to respond to this," it says.


Allah knows best the truth about him and if hes alive or dead

[Umm Ahmed]

damn just found out keith floyd's dead too...another one bites the dust!

Keith Floyd the chef ?

If OBL is dead then America will just weasel their way out of it, just the same as George Bush and his cronies, who weaselled out of being held account in allowing others to torture human beings.

[ever515]

Keith Floyd the chef ?

Yes, died of a heart attack at home

[Pluma]

Muslim analyst is going mad!!!