Bin Laden, Zawahiri and Abdullah Azzam [2] ... Abdullah Anas

[Um Abdullah M.]

assalamu alaykum

The following is a translation of parts from the interview with Abdullah Anas in Dec. 2005, in the program "Ida'at" by Turki Ad Dikheel.
I will post the link to the Arabic text when I finish posting the translaton insha Allah.

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Turki AdDikheel (Interviewer): Professor AbdullahAbdullah, you presented your experience through a book you authored which is "The birth of the Arab Afghans", you spoke in it of your experience, being from the first Arab mujahideen in Afghanistan in the early eighties; Also, you are the son-in-law of shaikh Abdullah Azzam, the spiritual father of the Afghani jihad. Where was Abdullah Anas before Sept. 11^th? Because the time period between your moving from Afghanistan in the nineties, until 2001, there is about 6 years; Why did Abdullah Anas keep silent until the incident of Sept. 11^th?

Abdullah Anas: Alhamdulillah wa kafa and peace be upon His (Allah's) slaves whom He choose/favored; In regards to being silent, anyways, I was, as I pointed out, in the early 80s I went to Afghanistan, and it was destiny and Allah decreed for us to live all of this time period with Ahmad Shah Mas'ud –rahimahu Allah- in Northern Afghanistan to the time Allah gave him success entering Kabul in 1992, and as you know, he entered it victorious with the other mujahideen leaders, and after that there was no excuse for my presence in Afghanistan, for I saw that Afghanistan has been freed, and Allah has lead the mujahideen and the Afghani people to victory..

Interviewer: When did you leave Afghanistan?
Abdullah Anas: I left Afghanistan in 1992-1993

Interviewer: After what was called "The victory of Kabul"
Abdullah Anas: The truth is that we went to Afghanistan because there was an Islamic fatwa that made it obligatory to free the land of Islam from the occupiers, from infidelity and from communism; and the goal was accomplished, alhamdulillah, in 1993 ....

Interviewer: And that is why you left.
Abdullah Anas: That is why I left, and then, as you and the viewers know, if you don't know.. I, after that, moved to another obligation which is Algeria, it became upon me the responsibility of the leadership of the Islamic front for rescue, so Afghanistan became for me as is said…

Interviewer: How long did you stay in Algeria after you left for it?



I Went To Afghanistan Answering The Call To Jihad

Abdullah Anas: I did not return to Algeria because it was at the time of the coup that happened with the decision of the people in 1992, at the period when I left Afghanistan, so in Algeria arrests began, and the crisis in Algeria began …

Interviewer: So you left, in 1992 to…
Abdullah Anas: 1993
Interviewer: 1993 to Britain immediately.
Abdullah Anas: Not immediately, I stayed some time moving between Turkey, Yemen, Sudan and Pakistan, a period…

Interviewer: Until you found … a period of searching for a safe place.
Abdullah Anas: I call it "The period of wandering", because the chasing of the Arab Afghans began, and there isn't any suitable place for us to live in inside of Afghanistan anymore, because then one will have to be part of the inner battle, the civil war..

Interveiwer: The one that evolved between the Afghanis?
Abdullah Anas: The one that evolved between khasat al hujoom
Interviewer: Hikmatyar
Abdullah Anas: Hikmatyar, Talibani ..
Interviewer: and Mas'ud
Abdullah Anas: And Mas'ud from one side
Interviewer: Until the apparence of Taliban then its entering …

Abdullah Anas: And this story was a big story, the ISI decided for the Pakistani Army.. The Pakistani Army decided to forbid Mas'ud from victory, for Pakistani interests only, so they created Hikmatyar and he wanted to confuse Mas'ud..

Interviewer: But Hikmatyar was present before … even when Kabul fell, he was one of the mujahideen leaders who entered.
Abdullah Anas: No, he didn't enter, Hikmatyar didn't enter Afghanistan..
Interviewer: But he was present.
Abdullah Anas: Oh yes, of course he was present, Hikmatyar was a fundamental part of the Afghani issue, but I meant in this period of time exactly, the competition was between him and Mas'ud on who gets to Kabul first, so maybe the plans of Mas'ud were stronger inside Afghanistan, more organized and more precise than the plans of Hikmatyar, so he beat him to victory, although he didn't enter it alone, so anyways, it is not …

Interviewer: These are the details regarding the Afghani situation, let us speak about Abdullah Anas. Abdullah Anas you spoke in your book, that you authored about the birth of the Afghani Mujahideen, that shaikh Abdullah Azzam –rahimahu Allah- gave you your new name, Abdullah Anas, your name before that was not Abdullah Anas, your name was "Abu Jumu'ah Bunuwa", correct?
Abdullah Anas: yes.


To be continued insha Allah..

[Abu Ma'mar]

This is soo silly.

Everyone knows that Mas'ood betrayed the Fighters in Afganistan.

Everyone knows that Zawahiri doesn't have the same ideas as Azzam.

Everyone knows that Zawahiri manipulated bin Ladin for his own use.


This is a really silly thread and its like blowing dust of an old book.

[Um Abdullah M.]

umm, excuse me but this is not about Mas'ud after the Afghani war against the soviets, nor is he going to speak about Zawahiris manipulation of bin Laden, or his relationship with sh. Abdullah Azzam.
He speaks little about Bin Laden and Zawahiri, and mostly about the manhaj of shaikh Abdullah Azzam not being the manhaj of some groups today and the stuff they do, and giving some evidence or examples.

As for your saying:

Everyone knows that Zawahiri doesn't have the same ideas as Azzam.

That is not completely true.

and if u don't like the thread ignore it, no one is forcing u to read it.

[abumuwahid]

umm, excuse me but this is not about Mas'ud after the Afghani war against the soviets, nor is he going to speak about Zawahiris manipulation of bin Laden, or his relationship with sh. Abdullah Azzam.
He speaks little about Bin Laden and Zawahiri, and mostly about the manhaj of shaikh Abdullah Azzam not being the manhaj of some groups today and the stuff they do, and giving some evidence or examples.

As for your saying:


That is not completely true.

and if u don't like the thread ignore it, no one is forcing u to read it.

None of the Mujahideen claim that they follow the same manhaj as Sh. Abdullah Azzam to the T, even though they were greatly inspired by him as a thinker, a scholar and a Mujahid.

After Azzam (RH) was killed, the situation changed drastically with America's presence in the land of the two holy Masajid and the Intifada in Palestine. OBL and Zawahiri realised that their manhaj was wrong and that more drastic action was required so they changed according to what was required. Hence the attacks against American interests in the Gulf and elsewhere.

The question is would Sheikh Azzam have change his manhaj or would he have followed the path of the Ikhwanis and embraced democracy?

[Abu Treika]

um abdullah - sometimes i think that you just like getting into these debates, anyone with a half a brain cell knows this topic might cause a storm in a tea cup, anyone with a half a brain cell would think twice before getting in to the same argument 20 times every week, think about it hard and respond, this isnt an attack on you, its just my observation.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Your observation is false, I hate getting into these issues, I hate all those topics attacking scholars, talking about Saudi all the time, I hate the topics spreading the corrupt ideology of al Qaeda, I am sick of all of that, I want it to stop, this forum is becaming full with these people who are posting about these topics almost daily, and they are just increasing in number, so topics like these only increase, so I either fight that corrupt ideology or I leave until this munkar stops.

And I know that people would rather have me leave, but before that I will do at least one thing to fight it, by posting what the close people to shaikh Abdullah Azzam said about his ideology and methodology, and to show to others that there is another side to the story of Zawahiri and his clan (al Qaeda), that is the least I can do in inkar al munkar.
Since I already started this, I will translate the second part of the interview and that's it insha Allah.

[abumuwahid]

Your observation is false, I hate getting into these issues, I hate all those topics attacking scholars, talking about Saudi all the time, I hate the topics spreading the corrupt ideology of al Qaeda, I am sick of all of that, I want it to stop, this forum is becaming full with these people who are posting about these topics almost daily, and they are just increasing in number, so topics like these only increase, so I either fight that corrupt ideology or I leave until this munkar stops.

And I know that people would rather have me leave, but before that I will do at least one thing to fight it, by posting what the close people to shaikh Abdullah Azzam said about his ideology and methodology, and to show to others that there is another side to the story of Zawahiri and his clan (al Qaeda), that is the least I can do in inkar al munkar.
Since I already started this, I will translate the second part of the interview and that's it insha Allah.

No Sister. Even though I disagree with many things you say it will not be good if you leave.

You say that you hate attacking scholars but then you attack sheikh Osama Bin Laden and Sheikh Ayman Al Zawahir. Even if you do not consider them to be scholars there are many Muslims who do. Is that not double standards?

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Assalamoalaikum

that is the least I can do in inkar al munkar.

وفقك الله و بارك في جهودك


People, let her finish. We have been listening to what you guys have been pouring, now listen the other side of the picture. Be open to debate. What u r doing is shouting her down which is tantamount to intellectual terrorism (though it is not v intellectual)

[Abu Maysara]

Your observation is false, I hate getting into these issues, I hate all those topics attacking scholars, talking about Saudi all the time, I hate the topics spreading the corrupt ideology of al Qaeda, I am sick of all of that, I want it to stop,

i suspected that you started the thread not having the pleasure of Allah swt in mind and you just confirmed that wal hamdulillah ala kulli haal.

you seems to be a genuine product of the corrupt regime in bilad al haramein,
guess what?
there is a world outside the tyrannic state, where people cannot express their valid Islamic opinion freely without being thrown into jail and tortured which is the case in the country where the tyrants are in power, may Allah swt make them loose power and be humiliated by the hands of al muwahhideen.
you said

I am sick of all of that, I want it to stop.

well preventing muslims to speak their opinion is exact what your beloved regime, may Allah give the regime and its followers what they deserve,
they way you discuss reflect someone who got eyes but do not see (except for what the regime want you to see)

i love to see you rightly guided more than to see you blind in your misguidance, may Allah swt guide you and your likes to that which He loves and is pleased with, truly guidance is precious these days wa Allahul Must'aan.

[Um Abdullah M.]

You say that you hate attacking scholars but then you attack sheikh Osama Bin Laden and Sheikh Ayman Al Zawahir. Even if you do not consider them to be scholars there are many Muslims who do. Is that not double standards?

brother
if you search my posts in this forum, you won't find any post attacking bin Laden specifically, since I believe he was a good man but got affected by the extremism of Zawahiri, as brother Hudhaifah explained in his interview.

I used to be an admirer of bin Laden and al Qaeda a few years ago, and didn't know anything about Zawahiri, except hearing his name and seeing him in videos with bin Laden. But then after Sept. 11, when bombings started to happen in some Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, and al Qaeda being part of it, then I realized what type of ideology they had, and how corrupt it is, and during the same time period I listened to the interview of brother Hudhaifah Azzam, so all of that showed me the reality of al Qaeda, and that it is extreme, so I turned against it, but at the same time I support the mujahideen that have the correct ideology and aqeedah whomever they are wher ever they are.

I was never against jihad itself, I used to even follow the jihad in Chechenya and even have a CD with a lengthy video of mujahideen in Chechenya during the life of Ibn al Khattab rahimahu Allah whom I admired and still do, and hope there will be more mujahideen leaders like him.
I am saving that CD to watch again and to show it to my son when he grows older insha Allah.

As for Zawahiri being a scholar, what is your definition of a scholar?
how does one become a scholar?

I asked a brother in another forum what evidecne he had that Zawahiri is a scholar, and he said that he wrote a book on some fiqhi matter, that is the only evidence he had, which does not make a person a scholar just because he wrote a book on some fiqhi issue.