Britain's New Preachers Of Hate

[waziri]

11 January 2007
BRITAIN'S NEW PREACHERS OF HATE
By Bobby Pathak
IN a dilapidated mosque, half a dozen awestruck young men listen to a preacher spell out his vision for Britain.

"King, Queen, House of Commons... if you accept it, you are a part of it," says Dr Ijaz Mian. "If you don't accept it, you have to dismantle it.

"So you being a Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons. From that White House to this Black House, we know we have to dismantle it.


"Muslims must grow in strength... then take over."


A 10-month undercover investigation into home-grown extremism has revealed hard-line Islamic fundamentalism being preached in British mosques.


Some speakers call for girls to be hit if they don't wear Islamic dress and say that they can marry before puberty, others praise the Taliban.


Speaking at the Ahl-e-Hadith mosque, in Derby, Dr Mian tells his listeners: "You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state-within-a-state - until you take over.


"But until this happens, you have to preach, until you become such a force that the people just submit to you."


Dr Mian wants to see religious policemen roaming our streets, modelled on the feared Saudi Arabian force.


He says of their strict implementation of Sharia - or Islamic - law: "They send the police and they say: 'Well, if you don't come for prayer, we will arrest you. But if you still don't, then we have to bring the punishment on you - you will be killed and nobody will pray for you.'"


Dr Mian is just one of many UK preachers who've been taught the wahhabi branch of Islam in Saudi Arabia, then come back here to spread the word.


The radical ideology, which is bitterly opposed to multi-culturalism and integration, is spreading in Britain.


And it's coming from clerics in a country that the British government claims is its main Middle Eastern ally in the fight against terrorism.


At UKIM's Sparkbrook Islamic Centre, in Birmingham - which PM Tony Blair has lauded for its multi-cultural activities - a preacher praised the Taliban.


He gloated over the fate of British Muslim Jabron Hashmi, who joined the British Army and was killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan. "The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders," he says.


A spokesman for UKIM, which runs the mosque, said their mosque had been hired out to another group and the speaker had been talking at that event.


The spokesman added: "We are a nationwide organisation and hold different programmes in our mosques. Anyone can air their views.


"These are his own views, not those of UKIM. We're very concerned about this."


The probe uncovered British preachers being trained in Saudi Arabia and mosques taking money from rich sheikhs. DVDs and tapes of radical speakers, who are linked to Saudi, are available. They attack integration, multiculturalism and even other Muslims who don't follow their extreme brand of Islam. It's a theology which many moderates are deeply concerned about, as they see the traditional, more tolerant beliefs being eroded.


On one DVD, filmed in a mosque run by a national Islamic charity - which claims to be committed to moderation - a speaker said girls should be "forced" to wear the hijab and, shockingly, adds: "If she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her."


Undercover reporters spent four months filming at Green Lane mosque, in Birmingham, an enormous place which caters for thousands of worshippers.


One preacher there said that marrying your daughter off before she reaches puberty is permissible in Islam.


But the main preacher at Green Lane is Abu Usamah, an American convert who studied at Medinah University in Saudi Arabia.


He rails against non- Muslims, telling listeners not to believe in the arrests of alleged terrorists in Britain - as non- Muslims are liars.


Green Lane mosque says it is a centre for "interfaith communication and dialogue", welcoming people of all religions and cultures. But in front of a Muslim-only audience, Abu Usamah says that Jews and Christians were "enemies" to Muslims. He goes on to condemn the kuffaar - infidels or non-believers.


"No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person here loves the kuffaar," he rants. "We hate the kuffaar!"


Although he says he doesn't agree with Osama Bin Laden's violent actions, he says he prefers him to non-Muslims, because Bin Laden is a Muslim. "He's better than a million George Bushs, he's better than a thousand Tony Blairs.


"Allah has not given those people who are kuffaar a way over the believer. They shouldn't be in authority over us," he tells his listeners. "Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with living in anything other than a total Islamic state."


He urges worshippers to discriminate against homosexuals but in a way that ensures they don't get caught. "If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered, that's my freedom of speech, isn't it?" he says. "But they'll say no, I'm not tolerant."


Women, too, are inferior in Abu Usamah's eyes. He tells his audience: "Allah has created the woman - even if she gets a PhD - deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man."


Abu Usamah says that he condemns terrorism. But he predicts that an army of Muslims will soon arise to wage jihad - or war - against non-believers.


"They will fight in the cause of Allah. I encourage all of you to be from among them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching - where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength.


"And when that happens, people won't get killed - unjustly," he threatens.


Green Lane mosque is the headquarters of the Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, a registered British charity which runs more than 40 mosques and branches in the UK.


It's an influential affiliate of the Muslim Council Of Britain, which has praised it as "a national body", "respected among British Muslims for its educational and outreach programmes".


It runs a part-time Islamic school for 200 local children and the mosque has been praised by Lord Nazir Ahmed, Labour's first Muslim peer.


He sat on a highprofile taskforce - set up after the 7/7 attacks - to combat extremism in mosques. He also headed a working group on extremism in mosques and imams.


In 2003, he said of Green Lane mosque: "This is the most amazing place. When I walk in, I feel I am entering the biggest palace on earth." Most of the speakers there have been trained in Saudi universities.


And to underline the point, throughout last year, live satellite links were set up to broadcast talks from the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, the country's most senior Islamic cleric.


In the course of one live session, one worshipper asked the cleric, through a translator, if Muslims should establish good relations and forgiveness between religions.


The Grand Mufti slapped him down. "This is not true. Jews and Christians who do not follow the Prophet Mohammed are kuffaar. They will go to hell."


FOR his part, Abu Usamah later said: "Islam allows for any Muslim to peacefully co-exist here in the UK with non-Muslims, even though the UK is not an Islamic society."


He said he had made it clear that it is a religious duty of all Muslims to obey UK law and the carrying out of Islamic law could only be done in an actual Islamic state.


He added: "Homosexuality is an abomination against Allah and all mankind, and I will never condone it. Even though this is the case, I do not believe in disobeying the law when it comes to the way people deal with homosexuals."


Lord Ahmed told us that Green Lane mosque was one of many mosques he visited. "It would be ludicrous to suggest that by visiting an institution I become responsible for, or aware of, every word spoken at that establishment."


The Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith told us that it was "committed to promoting inter-faith dialogue and political harmony in our society".


It said that scholars from many different backgrounds spoke at its mosque and that we had quoted many out of context.


It had not known what each speaker would say beforehand and did not necessarily agree with everything that may have been said.


It said the word kuffaar was a neutral term, and added: "We reject the assertion... that we are influenced by and teach an extreme version of Islam.


"We have no desire or intention to seize power or discriminate against others. We accept the rule of law and we treat our non-Muslim neighbours with respect."


Finally, Dr Mian said that he did not advocate that Islam would be forced upon anyone and said we had not quoted his many speeches condemning terrorism and the killing of innocent people.


DISPATCHES: Undercover Mosque, Monday, 8pm on Channel 4.


Fix a target. You have to live just like a state-withina- state.. until you take over


Women are deficient.. even if she gets a PhD her intellect is incomplete

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_head...name_page.html

[Umm Ahmed]

Evesdropping will always leave one not understanding half of whats being said . Most of the above article will be twisted due to a lack of understanding Islaam .
The problem is the media are not interested in why a girl is encouraged to marry early or why a woman is defficent in certain matters.

[abu~Adil as somali]

in the last friday khutba and the one before, and to be honest few times last year shiek abu usaama athahabi has stressed out that among us their were (munafiqeen) who were recording by video and audio during the friday khutba and during lectures, he has said nothing that the quran and the sunnah hasnt said, he hasnt crossed any lines but till these people silence all the voices imams of haaq.

while the kuffar are attacking the muslims regardless of what sect they belong to. a group of so callled salafis have emerged to be used as a tool by the kufar and the munafiqeen, that tool is in the shape of abu khadija and co from the salafi publication, salafitalk and other sites which intented on attacking muslims in the name of salafiya. while they attacking other muslims and having their names blasted all over the internet and kafir papers as the way forward, they have forgot the words of Allah azza wajal, that the yahood and kufar will not accept you till they divert you from your deen and you are on what theyr on,

in a world wer muslims are being attacked by many means, the first stage of the attack is always the media attack to soften the public opinion, and what we see today is excatly that, and before that do that, they divide the ummah, by that i mean they will work with a group and demonise the other group..and now they have done that.

SP, abu Khadija & co have been dancing in the streets on the day ali tamimi was sentenced to life when in 2004, they attacked every known salafi da'3ee in one time or another, and they took well known brothers out of the deen and while all that is hapning they pockets got fatter and the trail of sisters they have married and divoreced in the name of the deen has gone thro the roof.

what chance do muslims have if the kaffir is using muslims to attack muslims.


Background:

On Monday 15th January Channel 4 Dispatches will be broadcasting a
programme about the influence of Saudi Arabia on the spread of
terrorist activities.

While there maybe differences of opinion amongst the Muslim
community on certain issues it is unacceptable for Channel 4 to
capitalise on those differences in order to attack basic Islamic
principles. Among other things the programme discusses issues such
as homosexuality, and whether or not Muslims should join the British
Army or the police. This programme is coming after more then a year
of sustained Islamaphobic attacks both on TV and in the media
attacking the Muslims.

It is clear that dispatches set out with a pre-determined agenda to
create mischief and portray Muslim organisations in a negative
light, in order to cause mayhem between Muslims and non-Muslims and
also to cause a divide between Muslims themselves, not to mention
destroying community relations as well as alienating Muslims.

The time has come for us to say enough is enough. We must unite in
order to defend ourselves from this onslaught, any debate regarding
Islam, should be had by the Muslim community and not by those who
seek to divide the Muslims and pit one group of Muslims against the
other.

[Umm Ahmed]

The time has come for us to say enough is enough. We must unite in
order to defend ourselves from this onslaught, any debate regarding
Islam, should be had by the Muslim community and not by those who
seek to divide the Muslims and pit one group of Muslims against the
other.

That's exactly right

[Daniel]

I always thought Abu Usamah adh-Dhabai was something of a quasi-Madkhalee and part of the Saalim al-Hilaali crew, good to know he still has a good understanding of al-wa'laa wal-ba'raa.

As for Abu Khadijaah al-Kharij'ee, he is a criminal and a likely British government agent. His crowd of neo-Kharij'ee cronies (Talafi Fabrications and TalafiTalk.net) love to do nothing but see other Muslims get in trouble with the government: Ali at-Tamimi, Abu Hamzah al-Masri, Abu Qataada, etc. May Allaah give Abu Khadijaah and his cohorts what they deserve.

[abu~Adil as somali]

as far as abu usaamah being a madkhalee then that couldnt be further from the truth, walalhi i havnt come a cross someone who tell's it how it is for a long time, regadles of who takes him out of the manhaj or attacks him on their munafiiq sites. with all the ahlu bid'a and grave worshipin masajid in Birmingham, these so called da'ee's have gathered all their strenghth to attack one of the most knowledgeable ppl in the city, althought they themself have not gained any qualification or have been cleared by any shiek or institutue to call the people or teach or preach or reach anyone. they are producing tapes of qaala wa qeela,

Who are the Scholars of Spubs?



The hizb (party) known as “Spubs” has special party members that make up its “shoorah of evil and corruption”. Whilst much can be said about the general rabble that makes up this cult’s tiny following, we will concentrate instead on the cult figureheads.



Importantly, all of the figureheads of the SP cult are people lacking any grounding or qualifications in Islamic Knowledge. They are all general riff-raff who have tried to raise themselves above their status by various means of shameless self-promotion, self-infatuation and extreme exaggeration.



Not one of SP’s “shoorah of evil and corruption” has gained any Islamic qualification. Contrary to the correct methodology of da’wah they have missed out the step of patiently and systematically learning the Islamic Knowledge before busying themselves with affairs that are beyond them, both in terms of general worldly ability and specific Islamic
expertise.



Let us look one-by-one at some of these figureheads of the SP hizb. It is only fair and just that a critique of these individuals be performed because they call to themselves and put themselves forward as guides for the people. By their doing this it gives everyone a clear right to question and to examine who they are.


And if the SP hizb are not happy with the results of that, then they can only blame themselves for their self-promotion. As the saying goes “if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!” So let the crying blind-followers remain silent and withhold their objections of “backbiting”.

Shaikh Saalih ibn Fawzaan (hafidhahullaah) said:

“Along with this, it is Waajib to look into those individuals who affiliate themselves to the Da'wah, where did they study? Where did they take their knowledge from? Where did they grow and develop? And what is their Aqeedah? The Most High has said:

(((Or is it that they did not recognize their Messenger, so they deny him?))) [Soorah Al-Mu'minoon: 69]

So it is Waajib to look into their actions and the effect they have upon the people, and what have they produced from goodness? And what effect have their actions had on rectification?

So it is Waajib to study their state of affairs before their statements and outward appearances are relied upon. This affair is a must, specifically in this time, where there are many callers to Fitnah and indeed the Prophet sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam described the callers to Fitnah, that they will be a people from ourselves, speaking our language…”



Part 1 – “The Self-Appointed Corrupt Da’ee”



abdul wahid alam also known as abu khadeejah from Birmingham has become known with the term “the self-appointed corrupt da’ee”. He is an ignorant individual who was not even practising when he first started involving himself in affairs of da’wah in Bradford University.

He was nurtured upon the methodology of Ikhwaan ul Muslimeen from whom he obtained the whole idea that anyone can put himself forward to teach and lecture. After Bradford he moved on to Manchester where he used to put himself forward to do talks by first listening to the tapes of Abu Usaamah Ath-Thahabi and then copying them word for word in the evenings. He would on occasion stay up until the early hours of the morning discussing with Ikhwaani/HT girls in the university (there are witnesses to this!).

...HE HAS NO ISLAMIC BACKGROUND OR ISLAMIC KNOWLEDGE.

He spent time working for the soofi charity organisation Islamic Relief and promoting their sufi activities. He was seen once taking out a nice coat from the donated things and taking it for his noble self.

He went to Bosnia on behalf of “Islamic Relief” and from there he brought back a wife.

...HE HAS ALWAYS ABUSED HIS POSITIONS WITH RESPECT TO MONEY AND WOMEN.

For a while he got involved with the so called 'jihadi' and it was
a common site to see him shouting “hoo haa” whilst training with the ultimately he travelled overseas to train with them but they said he bottled it and was weeping on the shoulder of the Shahid Butt asking to go home.

On his return to the UK he became involved with JIMAS and Abu Muntasir whom he would promote and defend.

Then he split with JIMAS and took dawood burbank with him, and set up his own party calling it “SP” along with his cousin amjad rafiq. Then he began to exaggerate and promote burbank and then by using the “noble mutual tazkiyah manhaj” (you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours) he started doing his own circles and made himself out to be knowledgeable in “manhaj”. Abu Muntasir was the one from whom he learnt to praise burbank, as Abu Muntasir used to refer to burbank as 'Shaikh dawood'!!!



For a year (after his “clear manhaj” declarations) he went to Kuwait to work for and promote an Ikhwaani school. Despite some of the circles of knowledge being easily accessible he did not attend the lessons by the Shaikhs of Kuwait and did not even take the opportunity to learn Arabic.

...ONE RULE FOR HIM AND ANOTHER FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

He was once asked, after giving a speech at a wedding, where he had studied Islam? He lied to the man asking the question saying “I gained my primary degree at Bradford University and postgraduate studies in Manchester. Then I studied in Kuwait.” The noble fraudster studied engineering in Bradford, secular teaching (PGCE) in Manchester and in Kuwait he only worked and he lied to a general person to make himself out to be more than he is!

He also propagated the lie amongst his hizb that when he was in Kuwait he studied under Shaikh Aboo Anas Hammad al ‘Uthmaan, he also propagated the lie (in a catalogue) that the Shaikh was linked with SP’s “shoorah of evil and corruption”, when these were found out to be lies then he spun a web to hide behind and blamed others!

Once he was in a car with a group of brothers and was flicking through a book on the science of hadeeth in front of them saying: "Masha-allah we studied this. When asked; with who? He angrily replied: "NEVER YOU MIND."

...HE LIES ABOUT HIMSELF TO RAISE HIS OWN STATUS.

He started to do “manhaj” circles in Green Lane Masjid who allowed him to do so along with dawood burbank. His circles were bereft of any Islamic Knowledge (how can a bankrupt person give what he doesn’t have? how can ships sail on dry land?!) and contained only jarh wa jahl (disguised as the knowledge of Jarh and ta’deel). It wasn’t long before his
ambitions for power began to come to the fore and he started to use his circles to attack any and everyone who he saw as an obstacle to his ambitions of becoming Imam of Green Lane Masjid. He started to attack and berate the Masjid authorities on anything he could find, his father even went to the Masjid Committee asking them to hand over the keys to his son! saying "when are you going to give the keys to my son."

...HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AFTER POWER AND LEADERSHIP.

Despite the Masjid authorities extreme leniency with them he went too far when he caused a large fight in the Masjid - ON THE 27TH OF RAMADHAAN!!! - after publically calling a general brother a Hizbee in one of his circles, the police had to be called and only then his evil, corrupt ircles were banned.

However his evil could not be contained even then, he then claimed that stopping his circles is opposing the manhaj and he insisted abu talha dawood also stop his (slightly less ignorant) circles. Then he went around claiming that Green Lane Masjid had stopped the teaching of Kitaab at Tawheed and that the reason for this was that they hated Tawheed!!!!

...HE LIES TO CAUSE SEPARATION WITHIN AHLUSSUNNAH!!!

...HE USES AT-TA’WEEL WAT-TALAAZIM AL BAATILAH (FALSE iNTERPRETATIONS AND INTERPOLATIONS) TO ATTACK PEOPLE OF SUNNAH!!

He also made tabdee’ of those brothers associated with Al-Hidaayah bookshop (salafis) and told people it was their religious duty not to shop there. He then gathered money off the people to make his own shop (in his OWN name) and then told them it was their religious duty to shop at his shop!

He made tabdee’ of Hamd House School (salafis). Then he set up his own school again using the people’s money and poached staff and pupils from Hamd House School again by telling them in effect it was their religious duty to support his noble businesses!

When some salafi brothers set up a bookshop in another area of Birmingham called “Mountains of Knowledge” he let his (ig)noble hasad and envy and jealousy spill out in his ‘Eid khutbah and called them “Mountains of Hizbiyyah” during the khutbah!

The only bookshops he doesn’t attack in England are the “franchises” of his own business “salafibookstore”. He dupes people into believing that becoming a franchise under his business umbrella is part of the Salafi Da’wah, he has so far duped blind-followers in Slough, Bradford and Cardiff.

He once used an ‘Eid khutbah to say to the people “if you are not at our circles then we doubt your salafiyyah!”

When some brothers from Alum Rock published a book he was furious at them for doing it without his permission. He said "Why do you need to publish books, when we are doing that?" He then proceeded to run a defamation campaign and vendetta against them including giving a talk in which he called for them to be made hajr of and an 86-page PDF document which he sent all over the world. They confronted him face to face at that talk and he could not reply to their request for proof, after which his henchmen threw them out into the street.

He made tabdee’ of the whole of Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadith UK! General mass tabdee' and caused splitting in the Masaajid of Ahle Hadith up and down the country.

Yet he was silent regarding Riyadh ul Haq and the Deobandis, the Barelawis and the Soofis, the Shiah and the Qadiyanis in his own city never saw any effects from him!!!

...ANYONE SEEN AS A THREAT TO HIS POSITION OR AN OBSTACLE TO HIS AMBITION IS RUTHLESSLY CUT DOWN.

...HE USES MANHAJ TO FURTHER HIS OWN BUSINESS AND FOR HIS DUNYA.

...HE TEACHES THAT DA’WAH IS ONLY UNDER HIM.

...HE LEAVES THE REAL AHLUL BID'AH WELL ALONE AND DIRECTS HIS POISON ONLY AT AHLUS SUNNAH.

He tried to force other brothers including TheClearPath.Com, Coventry, Oldbury to take a position against and make hajr of Alum Rock. He even said 'You are either with us or with them', mimicking George Bush? He said to some of them, “You can’t have one foot in this boat and one foot in another.” He told one of the brothers not to ask him for daleel (evidence) about Alum Rock saying “I am thiqah (a reliable narrator)!” and asking the brother “did you ask Yahya bin Ma’een (a great scholar of the salaf) for daleel?!”

In a circle in his musallah he once said to the people “we are watching you” and “don’t think you can come here and go to Green Lane like a mouse!” and "you did not put me here and you are not going to remove me, this is not a democracy." Nor is it a fascist style dictatorship and he put himself there, it is only his desire to attain wealth and status that
causes him to do all this EVIL. He even once said: "The Ulema put me here and the ulema can remove me". Which Ulema were they, one would have to ask? Shaikh Saleem and Ali? Abu Anas? Perhaps the infamous ALLAMAH FAALIH (drool) Al HARBEE? All of whom he has dropped since then.

...HE USES FALSE RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES AND MAFIA TACTICS TO BULLY PEOPLE.

...HIS FOLLOWERS ARE SCARED AND THREATENED INTO OBEDIENCE.

The above is just a short taster of the evil and corruption of the “self-appointed corrupt da’ee” and is fully backed with evidences and witnesses.

taken from ahya forum

[Daniel]

as far as abu usaamah being a madkhalee then that couldnt be further from the truth,

I'm not interested in making a big deal about Abu Usamah, as I am happy to see what he said in this article, but he did go around with Saalim al-Hilaali (who is in agreement with the Rab'ee al-Madkhalee in all their extreme irj'aa, though doesn't have the extremist tab'dee). I remember the time that Abu Usamah and Saalim al-Hilaali were going to debate Abu Hamzah, but then backed out.

The one thing I never understood is why radical Madkhalee fanatic Dawud Adib (the American Abu Khadijaah) had it out for Abu Usamah, calling him the "worst fitnah" of the past 70 years. Adib had a lecture entitled "Happiness is in Salafiyyah" in which he attacked Abu Usamah and Abu Muslimah through most of the lecture (and didn't seem very happy in his "Salafiyyah").

[Turaabie]

I'm not interested in making a big deal about Abu Usamah, as I am happy to see what he said in this article, but he did go around with Saalim al-Hilaali (who is in agreement with the Rab'ee al-Madkhalee in all their extreme irj'aa, though doesn't have the extremist tab'dee). I remember the time that Abu Usamah and Saalim al-Hilaali were going to debate Abu Hamzah, but then backed out.

The one thing I never understood is why radical Madkhalee fanatic Dawud Adib (the American Abu Khadijaah) had it out for Abu Usamah, calling him the "worst fitnah" of the past 70 years. Adib had a lecture entitled "Happiness is in Salafiyyah" in which he attacked Abu Usamah and Abu Muslimah through most of the lecture (and didn't seem very happy in his "Salafiyyah").

as-Salaamu `Alaikum.

Brother, do you know where one can get hold of this lecture? Inshaa-Allaah.

Jazzaakillaahu Khairan.

wa-'Alaikumus-Salaam.

[Daniel]

as-Salaamu `Alaikum.

Brother, do you know where one can get hold of this lecture? Inshaa-Allaah.

Jazzaakillaahu Khairan.

wa-'Alaikumus-Salaam.

The Dawud Adib lecture? Believe me, it isn't worth listening to.

[Turaabie]

Khayr Inshaa-Allaah.