Britain's New Preachers Of Hate

[abu abdil-kareem]

...sp calling him a khariji, and on here he is called a murji...

and about 30 seconds walk from the masjid you have the SP headquaters printing our leaflets about how the mujahdeen and who ever supports them a fitna on the ummah and how abu usaama was refuted by rabee al madkhali...

From what I know there has been a split for some time now between the Jordanian scholars and there followers (if you know the UK then one of their main strong holds is Brixton Masjid south London) and Rabee' al-Madkhali and his Madakhilee follwing (with his followers residing in Lester and sp headquarters with Mr Khaariji Abu Khadeejah).

So if Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabi is being called Khaariji by the Murji' boys at SP then this wouldn't surprise me and neither would it make me feel any more sympathatic towards Abu Usaamah.

But I will say that I pray Allah ta 'ala guides us all upon the Huqq!

[Logic lover]

In the light of what has been testified regarding Abu Usama, I take back what I have stated about him.

[Daniel]

So if Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabi is being called Khaariji by the Murji' boys at SP then this wouldn't surprise me and neither would it make me feel any more sympathatic towards Abu Usaamah.

If if there was a difference they wouldn't call him a "Kharij'ee", instead they would call him some other names. They call you "Kharij'ee" if you take about jihaad, Imaan being action, Sayyid Qutb, etc. They for example call scholars like Safar al-Hawali, Salmaan al-'Awdah, and 'Abdur-Rahmaan 'Abdul-Khaaliq "Khawaarij" for these reasons.

[Hakeem]

i think the real underlining issue here is has abu usama retracted his statements regarding sheikh Umar Abdur Rahman?

What his opinions are with reagrds to OBL and the J is also a determining factor.

InshaAllah if he has taken back his words we should leave it there and ask that Allah (SWT) accepts his repentance. If he has not taken back his words then we should ask why not?

InshAllah may Allah unite us upon the Haqq (Ameen)

[Logic lover]

Well! this is not about personality. As long as he understands the concept of Jihad and made general statements retracting his past positions, I think we should leave it as that.

Allah knows best.

[Daniel]

Well! this is not about personality. As long as he understands the concept of Jihad and made general statements retracting his past positions, I think we should leave it as that.

Allah knows best.

Exactly akhee.

[Shaghuri]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...79422472502457

[Hakeem]

The questions that i posed were not concerned with the abu usama's opinion of these indinividuals personality but rather with regards to what they stand for.

For example why refer to Sheikh Umar Abdur Rahman as a Khawrarij?this clearly indicates that he believes in the legitimacy of these taghoot rulers;

why attack one of the leader of J and the j of toady?this shows that he dosnt agree with the J movement of today. also having listened to the audio provided by brother Shaghuri it seems that abu usama has not retracted his statement with regards to this point.

so again the questions were not posed for abu usama's view on these exact personalities, but rather his views for what these personalities stand for.

However in the light of the despatches documentry i think that we should be united in addressing the cureent problems that we are and will be facing. For clearly the steps that r being taken r to outmanouvre the Muslims in the UK and to discredit the reputable Duats and organisations of the UK and also to change and drive political and public opinion towards are specific direction.

and Allah (SWT) knows best.

[Abu Harun]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...79422472502457

Jazzaak Allaahu gairan. Strong clarification, if it just could be broadcast on national television...

[Logic lover]

I must state, after watchhing the rebuttal video as linked above - Abu Usama's position on rulership and jihad is not clear, to say the least.