Britain's New Preachers Of Hate

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    The Murji'ah like to say: "there is no such thing as jihad without an Ameer."

    A more accurate statement would be: "there is no such thing as khawarj unless its against the Ameer."
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    Well put! Those whom the government lackeys consider "Khawarij" are the exact opposite....The Khawarij made takfeer of the Sahabah, the Taliban and Shaykh Abu Mus'ab (rahimahullah) fought against the Rawafid Shi'ites who curse the Sahabah and Ummahat-Mu'mineen; the Khawarij made khurooj against the legitimate Muslim ruler, wallahi I call upon all Salafiyyah Jadeedah to demonstrate why the label of Kufr is prohibited from the current rulers; where can one find in the words of Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and the rest of the alleged "Khawarij" any unrestricted takfeer of the Muslim masses, why in their appeals do they address them as Muslims, if indeed they are "Khawarij"?; etc..

    As for the issue you mentioned, then there is just so much evidence to refute them, from the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Ijma of the Salaf. But let this suffice, an excerpt from Abdullah Azzam Shaheed's Defence of the Muslim Lands (Chapter 4), insha'Allah:

    Second Question
    Can we fight jihad while we haven't an Amir?

    Yes we fight, and we haven't an Amir. None has said that the absence of a community of Muslims under an Amir cancels the Fard of jihad. In fact we have seen Muslims at the time of the Crusades and during the Tar-tar invasions fighting with different Amir's. In Halab (in Syria) there was an Amir, in Damascus there was an Amir, and in Egypt there was more than one Amir. Some of these even asked help from Christians against their brother Amir, as what happened when Shawar asked help from Christians against another Amir, Dar Gham, in Egypt.

    Not one of the scholars has said that such a situation and such corruption cancels the obligation of jihad for the DEFENCE of the Muslim lands. On the contrary it multiplies their duty .The same thing happened in Andalusia, as the poets said:

    "They were divided into sects, each in their places, Each place an Amir and its pulpit"

    And another wrote:

    "That which made me despair of Andalusia, were the King's titles,
    Great titles of which they were not worthy,
    Like the cat who mimics the lion by puffmg himself up"

    Not one of the scholars has said that there is no jihad under these conditions, in fact, the scholars were themselves in the front lines of Andalusia.

    The battle may be void of a legitimate commander appointed by the Amir. As it was on the Day of Mu'tah. Khalid Bin Walid stood up and raised the flag, that by him, Allah saved the Muslim army. And, for this he was commended by the Prophet (saw).

    Maybe the Imam or the Amir al Mu'mineen is not present, this does not annul the obligation of fighting and the DEFENCE of the Muslim lands. We do not wait for the Caliphate to be restored. Because, the Caliphate does not return through abstract theories, amassed knowledge and studying. Rather, jihad is the right way to reform the divided authorities to the ultimate authority of the Caliphate.

    The mujahideen choose their Amir for jihad from amongst themselves. He organises them and unifies their efforts and makes the strong support the weak. In a sahih hadith from Uqbah Bin Amar, who was amongst the to-be-mentioned party, said: "The Prophet (saw) sent out a party and he chose from amongst us a swordsman (leader). When we returned I said: I have not seen the like of when the Prophet (saw) blamed us. The Prophet (saw) said: Are you unable that if I appoint a man and he fails to apply my order to replace him with one who applies my order?"

    The Messenger of Allah (saw) encouraged them to change the Amir of the party even if he was given the flag by the noble hand of the Prophet himself. So how is it if there is no Amir from the beginning? Of the most critical situations requiring an Amir is that of warti

    Ibn Qadama said in AI Mughni 8/253: "The absence of an Imam does not postpone the jihad because much is lost in its postponement".

    If the people choose an Amir, he must be obeyed. As mentioned in Fath al Ali al Malik 1/253.

    The Sheikh Miyara stated that if there is an absence of an Amir, and the people are agreed to appoint a great one in this time, to pave their ways, to make the strong support the weak, and he exerts his effort to achieve this to the best of his ability , it is evident that to stand against him is not permitted. Who opposes him seeking to create sedition, disobeys Islam and disrupts the Jamat. In sahih Muslim: "Different evils will make their appearance in the near future. Anyone who tries to disrupt the affairs of this Ummah while they are united you should strike him with the sword, whoever he be".
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