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    [Please excuse the redundancy between the two letters. It seems Imam Zayd was actually refuting himself in his letter to the would-be Mujaahid.]



    From A Jihaadi to Imaam Zayd:


    Recent developments have forced me to put some things on hold to write you this letter. You might ask how I know you. I have seen your advertisements for the United States of America (1), your letters calling for the youth to sell out, and other shameful acts. I have listened to your arguments and I shall provide my counter arguments. Since this is my first presentation of my arguments, and since I don't have a personal relationship with you, I figured I would write you a semi-formal open letter. Perhaps this way, you and your ilk will be likely to hear my message.


    To begin with, whenever you are criticized for your cowardly, inferiority-complex ideology, you point to the alleged abuses of some Jihaadi movements which were constructed by the American propaganda machine or their Zionist accomplices (2). This diversionary tactic on your part does not impress serious and thoughtful people. It is simply an abdication of your moral responsibility as an "imam" of the Muslims. It is as if you are saying you reserve the right to leave off established Islaamic obligations, such as those obligating the allegiance to all Muslim and the disavowal of allegiance to all Disbelievers, because some Jihaadis are alleged to have lost respect for innocent life. That would be a credible argument if the Jihaadis themselves claimed to have perpetrated such acts without any rationale on the basis of Islamic principles. They don't associate themselves with those acts but you insist that they do. I hope, without further elaboration, you can immediately sense the moral dilemma you are creating for yourself.


    Along those lines, please allow me to remind you of something else. Your misguided attempts to protect and shelter guilty American soldiers only make it easier for the American military to kill more Muslims with greater impunity. Your words help to create a political climate that paints Islaamic legality on the actions of the American military, the IDF and soon the forces of India's increasingly Hindu nationalist armed forced. You see, sympathy is a very potent emotion and when it is carefully embedded in the Muslims' hearts it can lead to very treacherous effects. The most extreme form of these treacherous effects is called apostasy.


    Sympathy can be especially dangerous when it is combined with another emotion, inferiority. You are so divorced from reality that you probably haven't noticed that a lot of Muslims are extremely affected with inferiority complexes right now. Especially, the "American Muslims" or what is left of them. They don't know if they will soon lose their homes, if they will have a job tomorrow, if they will be sent to Guantanamo, or if their children will still be allowed to keep their citizenship. Those insecurities combined with the spectre of the "FBI in your closet" are a lethal combination that a group of people called sell-outs is exploiting to justify an all out surrender to the Disbelievers.


    Those sell-outs use the fear of losing worldly comforts to prevent people from building the kind of grassroots, jihaadi, movements that are necessary to challenge the corporate rape of our society and from challenging the destructive logic of permanent surrender. For example, remember the growing Sunni movement to challenge the American forces in Iraq? Did you notice how it disappeared after the would-be mujahid Abu Riishah allowed himself to be a puppet for the Americans when he created the Awakening Councils? Do you think the timing was accidental? It is a shame that you and your ilk are so mindlessly complicit in such schemes.


    Now you think the Americans can win an all out war against the Mujaahidiin. Look at what the Mujaahidiin are doing to them in Afghanistan (sic). Sorry, but Afghanistan is not what an all out American victory looks like. I'll give you a clue of what an all out American victory looks like. Remember a couple years ago when the Israelis were bombarding the Gaza Strip and the apostates of Hamas, due to the pressure from sell out scholars, couldn't do anything but begin selling out their principles to stop the carnage? Or a few years before that when Hamas was denied of its government positions despite winning the "Democratic" elections? Think of the scale of that compromise of principles and the lack of tangible benefit expanded to encompass all of the Muslims of the entire Ummah. Imagine America unleashing a new generation of concentration camps being designed to be used specifically against Muslim, surrounding all the Muslims of American in torture chambers without any Muslim strategic election box (3) to stop it. Fruity letters and tea parties with Obama will be of no avail. Imagine the calls to human rights organizations to stop the imprisonment finding to ears to hear them because the neo-fascist forces your sell-out statements about radicalized youth has helped to unleash have swept those organizations away in its maddening torrent.


    I have heard you counter that such an argument is a manifestation of a lack of insight. God has ordered the believers to call to this religion in the best of ways. Indeed, He has. However, it is very pretentious of you to assume that someone who murders women, children, and innocents with blazon impunity in the Name of Democracy are the people we have been ordered to treat kindly. He has ordered us to call the Disbelievers to Islaam, but that call is not unconditional. God is not going to give safety and asylum to people who murder His chosen slaves and mock His Prophet (S).


    I applaud your sympathy, but how it manifests itself puzzles me. You have the sympathy to fly halfway around the world to tell the Muslims to put down their weapons and accept defeat, but you do not have the courage to write an email in support of the Muslims being murdered or to speak out against the atrocity of the American government. I am also baffled at how you can smile in the face of the Muslims, while you are ready to sell them out if the FBI gives you a call at the wrong place at the wrong time. What calculus do you use to assume that the Muslims are not in need of your support? What have they done to you to be the target of your betrayal?


    You claim a refined understanding of Islam, so refined that you can make grave decisions concerning life and death, decisions with huge strategic implications- yet you seem to perceive nothing of the divine wisdom of your being part of the Muslim Ummah. You have an opportunity to be an educator at a time people are looking for a new direction. You have an opportunity to be a guide at a time people are looking for a new direction. You have an opportunity to provide a source of spiritual motivation at a time people are confused, angry and afraid. You have an opportunity to be a fierce advocate of Jihaad at a time when lies are transforming the image of your religion and the direction of your Ummah. You have the skills, the command of the language, the knowledge of the people to do all of that and more, but you choose to run away from this battle to join one in which your commander is Barak Obama (4).


    Did I say that? "To join a battle in which your commander is Barak Obama." No! I didn't say that. Do you think if the FBI can send fake scholars into mosques all around America to find confused, vulnerable Muslims to entrap other Muslims for very real political objectives, the CIA couldn't do the same thing abroad? No, wait a minute. Didn't the CIA build the Awakening movement of Iraq on the basis of fatwas from people like Shaykh Salman al-'Awdah? (5) Didn't what's his name, 'Aayidh al-Qarni, describe Obama as the president of the greatest country in the world? (6)


    They would never use fake scholars, operating through fake organizations, to recruit confused and desperate Muslim youth to engage in operations that keep the climate of fear from one's own brother alive, would they? They wouldn't do that to keep support for bloodsucking, Muslim-treasury-raping wars alive at a time when the poor women, children, and elderly of the Muslims have finally had enough of the American oppression. No! It's preposterous. Those would be psychological operations (psych ops) and that would be cheating. America never cheats, we're the good guys!


    I apologize, I'm tripping. On a serious note, I hope you don't one day end up feeling as stupid and abused as ibn al-Alqamy (7) or Ed Husain (8) were probably feeling after they got no monetary benefit from selling out the Muslims. They have been tricked, deceived, used, and abused by Shaytaan and then thrown in the trash can of history to rot for the rest of their lives. Do you think your fate will be any different? Don't be a fool.


    Sincerely,
    A Jihaadi


    (1) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/us/01imams.html?_r=1. See also http://www.mpac.org/.


    (2) http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/articles/islam_and_the_ethics_of_war/.


    (3) http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/articles/vote_for_me_and_ill_set_you_free/.


    (4) The Mission of MPAC: MPAC is an American institution which informs and shapes public opinion and policy by serving as a trusted resource to decision makers in government, media and policy institutions. MPAC is also committed to developing leaders with the purpose of enhancing the political and civic participation of American Muslims.


    (5) http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2008/ioi/080112-gause-cfr.html.


    CFR: Now, on Iraq, are the Saudis and the other Gulf state leaders pleased that the surge in Iraq has produced some results?


    Gause: At the end of 2006 when the Baker-Hamilton report on Iraq was released, the Saudis feared that we were going to up and go. They dont like the Iraq war and they dont like the results that it has brought about. But they were very worried that if we just left, Iran would completely dominate the new Iraqi state. And so, they very publicly at the end of 2006 called for the United States, as the Saudi ambassador put it, not to leave Iraq before youve fixed it. But the most interesting development in 2007 from the Saudi point of view is the rise of the Awakening Councils, the tribal and other Sunni groups uniting against al-Qaeda and cooperating with the United States. We dont have much evidence on this because the Saudis are secretive about such things, but Im pretty confident that the Saudis have encouraged this with their influence and with their money. And those Awakening Councils are kind of the natural extension of Saudi influence into Iraq.


    (6) http://sheikyermami.com/tag/aidh-al-qarni/.


    (7) http://www.saaid.net/Doat/Zugail/336.htm. The Raafidhi who sold out the 'Abbaasi Khilaafah.


    (8) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Husain. Despite his attacks on Islam his foundation just got axed by British austerity measures.
    Last edited by Abu Jihad; 20th December 2010 at 11:30 AM. Reason: bloody syntax

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    Default Re: From a Jihaadi to Imaam Zayd

    About point five : where is the link with the fatwa of Al-'Awda? What fatwa are you talking about?

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    onlly God can charge akhi but not neither of you.maybe he is a better position than he was and a better person.All judgements are done by THE CREATOR OF THE EARTH AND HEAVENS.

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    I was not impressed by this:

    Remember a couple years ago when the Israelis were bombarding the Gaza Strip and the apostates of Hamas, due to the pressure from sell out scholars, couldn't do anything but begin selling out their principles to stop the carnage?
    And many other points.

    I think between whoever wrote this and Zaid Shakir, the truth has been lost.
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    loooooooool I dont think it could of been said better. I hope "Imam Zayd" reads this and understands when he publicizes his opinions its just " One mess after another"!

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    Well, seeing as though 'Awdah is a serious sellout...(he went from saying things like 'those scholars talk about everything in the heavens and under the earth and they leave off the waaqi'' to giving entire broadcasts about the mubaah types of breast enlargements on satellite tv!!)

    I would say that his fataawaa in support of the saudi government, while pretending to support jihad in iraq, and remaining hardcore against al-qa'idah (Saudi Cleric Salman Al-Odeh Slams "Brother" Osama bin Laden, Warns Him He'll Be Responsible for Deaths of Millions, Reminds Him He Must Face Allah. Ironically timed at around 2007) is a winning mix if you plan on starting some awakening councils.

    I'm not the only one with that type of understanding. Check out this Kaafir link: Gypsy Scholar: Saudi Cleric Salman Al-Odeh Slams Osama bin Laden.

    Yahya007: I think you should read the original letter of Imaam Zayd. It was a bit judgmental.

    Wild Wild West: Not being impressed is ok. But that isn't a shar'i hukm. Ironically, 'Awdah and the gang are also big on throwing around ambiguous phrases like "laa yanbaghi," for things that require shar'i ahkaam like: waajib, baatil, yajuuz, halaal, etc.

    Keep the lovely comments coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wild West View Post
    I was not impressed by this:



    And many other points.

    I think between whoever wrote this and Zaid Shakir, the truth has been lost.
    Ahsanta akhi WWW.

    To call Hamas apostates, on a percieved tactical error during a war, is the height of extremism and definitely the wrong side of Khariji thought.

    The 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' approach is not the defence that is needed and does not reflect the position of the majority of the Muslims.
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    Hamas are not apostates for "tactical" reasons.

    Maqdasi has exposed their entire manhaj.

    Of course, if you are ikhwani or an Arab nationalist, it might be hard to swallow.

    If you are star struck by their "mujaahid" appearance in the media, they did kill off all of the salafi jihadis in ghazah if you need some graphical proof of how low down these people are.

    Anyway, if you want to debate whether they are murtadd or not we can start a thread for that.

    Nice to see how everyone is lining up in the Imam Zayd line.

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    Hamas as murtads is a too strong term, but their leaders have strayed from the right path a long time ago. First they participated in democratic elections, then they surrendered to Israel, after that they got money from Iran and Russia, then they killed some salafi brothers and they don't implement the shariah. So they have made a lot of mistakes, may allah (swt) guide them. But I think the ordinary Hammas soldiers are still good muslims.

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    I wonder what does make Hosni Mubarak a kaafir for not ruling by Allaah's laws, and not Hamas for commiting the same crime?

    Is it because Hamas puts on headbands saying "La Ilaha Ill Allaah" ?


    These questions need to be answered inshaAllaah.

    Not throwing Takfeer around, just strictly wanting to find out the truth.
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