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Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki "The New Mardin Declaration"

This is a discussion on Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki "The New Mardin Declaration" within the Global Affairs forums, part of the Main Topics category; Here ya go Yousef. Seeing as you love to promote the New Mardin Declaration on your website.... Muslims are now ...

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    Here ya go Yousef. Seeing as you love to promote the New Mardin Declaration on your website....

    Muslims are now bound by international treaties through which security and peace have been achieved for the entire humanity, and in which they enjoy safety and security, with respect to their property, integrity and homelands. - Habib Ali & Hamza Yousef
    I thought you might like to add this to your collection of muslims feeling safe and secure in their homes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by YounusAbdullahMuhammad View Post
    Of course he didn't answer.... he says he agreed with Uthmayin he never said he needed a fatwa from him or for that matter was a follower in general... the mujahideen don't refer to the scholars of the tawagheet, the original fatwa endorsed to "Kill Americans and Jews wherever you find them" was signed by their own men... of course no one here considers them qualified as they are not the men of "institutions" other than those of Yusef (AS).

    He didn't respond, most likely, because he doesn't want to tell you he actually doesn't give a damn what Shaikh Uthmayin thought and just used it to lend credence to the idea that it is a legitimate opinion and held even by the House of Saud's best.
    Here's what the martyred shaykh, mujahid and former mufti for the Chechen Mujahidin, Abu Umar al-Sayf, may Allah have mercy on him, had to say about his teacher, Shaykh ibn Uthaymin, may Allah have mercy on him:

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    We are not allowed to level the charge of kufr against fellow Muslims, which is true. But when a Muslim does commit kufr bawaĥ (open unbelief), the charge of kufr does need to be leveled against him. Muslims should level the charge of kufr against those whom Allah and His Messenger considered as disbelievers, not more, not less.

    may almight Allah bless the Shaykh and give him long life to serve the muslim Ummah and humanity.
    we muslim do very know well that all disbelievers are infidels (kufri) but the disgusting thing is calling the believers who pronounced the creed (kalimah) infidels and making lawful taking their lives, for example what is happenning in somalia is totally against the teaching of islam as the 100% of population are muslim, its also contrary to the shayk ibn taymiyah's Fatwa. ist islamic killing innocent muslim civillian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabro View Post
    Here's what the martyred shaykh, mujahid and former mufti for the Chechen Mujahidin, Abu Umar al-Sayf, may Allah have mercy on him, had to say about his teacher, Shaykh ibn Uthaymin, may Allah have mercy on him:

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    We are not allowed to level the charge of kufr against fellow Muslims, which is true. But when a Muslim does commit kufr bawaĥ (open unbelief), the charge of kufr does need to be leveled against him. Muslims should level the charge of kufr against those whom Allah and His Messenger considered as disbelievers, not more, not less.

    may almight Allah bless the Shaykh and give him long life to serve the muslim Ummah and humanity.
    we muslim do very know well that all disbelievers are infidels (kufri) but the disgusting thing is calling the believers who pronounced the creed (kalimah) infidels and making lawful taking their lives, for example what is happenning in somalia is totally against the teaching of islam as the 100% of population are muslim, its also contrary to the shayk ibn taymiyah's Fatwa. ist islamic killing innocent muslim civillian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabro View Post
    Here's what the martyred shaykh, mujahid and former mufti for the Chechen Mujahidin, Abu Umar al-Sayf, may Allah have mercy on him, had to say about his teacher, Shaykh ibn Uthaymin, may Allah have mercy on him:

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    We are not allowed to level the charge of kufr against fellow Muslims, which is true. But when a Muslim does commit kufr bawaĥ (open unbelief), the charge of kufr does need to be leveled against him. Muslims should level the charge of kufr against those whom Allah and His Messenger considered as disbelievers, not more, not less.

    may almight Allah bless the Shaykh and give him long life to serve the muslim Ummah and humanity.
    we muslim do very know well that all disbelievers are infidels (kufri) but the disgusting thing is calling the believers who pronounced the creed (kalimah) infidels and making lawful taking their lives, for example what is happenning in somalia is totally against the teaching of islam as the 100% of population are muslim, its also contrary to the shayk ibn taymiyah's Fatwa. ist islamic killing innocent muslim civillian?

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    the following was what explained to me, from a defender of this conference

    I don't even think Anwar al-Awlaki understood the point of the conference and intention behind the "Maradin Fatwa". Secondly I have the transcripts from the conference since my teachers attended it and half the stuff he mentions was not even said and/or it was taken out of context.

    The main point which the author of this articles fails to mention is that the fatwa of Shaykul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimullah) which he and many other groups relied upon was corrupt! This shows the weakness in the understand of Arabic, even the ulama were unable to unearth such a massive blunder until Shaykh Abdullah Bin Bayyah noticed how the wording didn't go with the rest of the fatwa.

    Upon returning from the conference he asked for the oldest manuscripts of the fatwa and what he found was the following.

    A discrepancy has come up in some printed editions of the fatwa with regard to the final passage The Muslims living therein should be treated according to their rights as Muslims, while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.

    In some printed editions, the text is corrupted to read: while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be fought as is their due.

    This change in meaning is the consequence of the substitution of two letters in a single word. Instead of the correct word yu`āmal (should be treated), the word is rendered yuqātal (should be fought). This typographic error changes the meaning of the phrase drastically.

    The correct wording of the fatwa appears in the following sources:

    1. The only known manuscript copy of the fatwa which is the Zahiriyyah Library manuscript (2757) archived at the Asad Library in Damascus.

    2. The fatwa is quoted by Ibn Taymiyahs student and contemporary Ibn Muflih in his work Adāb al-Sharī`ah (1/212), with its correct wording: while the non-Muslims living there outside of the authority of Islamic Law should be treated according to their rights.

    3. It is also quoted correctly in al-Durur al-Saniyyah (12/248)

    Once they discovered this error and notified the other ulama about this the conference continued and what they stated was this.

    Ibn Taymiyah, in his fatwa, recognizes that the world is not to be divided simplistically into Islamic lands and non-Islamic lands, unlike many before him who held to that dualistic view.

    He recognized that there is a third type of society which has aspects of both. Furthermore, he stated that Muslims can live in such societies as long as they are free to practice their religion and that everyone should be afforded their rights. Muslims should recognize the religious rights of their fellow Muslims living in those lands, as well as the rights of the non-Muslims there who are not subject to Islamic Law.

    This fatwa has relevance for todays pluralistic world, where there is scarcely a country where Muslims do not live. The conditions the Muslims live under vary from country to country. In many countries of the world, Muslim minorities fully enjoy the right to practice their faith. They are allowed to worship according to Islamic teachings and they are not coerced into suppressing or abandoning their faith. Those countries may not be part of the Muslim world, but they are certainly lands of peace and security.
    .....Our tradition based on Islamic Law calls us towards moderation and speaking the truth and not deceiving the masses, something I can not say about the article above. What makes one a competent mufti is to know the sciences of Ifta and how to apply to a time and a place.

    Imam al-Shatbi (Rahimullah) says in his al-Muwafaqat:

    The competent mufti, of the highest authority, is one who carries people to a natural balance which is appropriate for the masses. He does not lead them to the way of extremism, nor does he lean with them towards the excess of unbridled liberalism. The evidence for this is that it [the way of balance and moderation] is the straightway which the Shariah brought. Thus, it operates on the premise that the goal of Shariah, for the one charged with worship, is to bear [his-her religious articulation], upon moderation, without any excessive hardship nor disproportionate ease. Therefore, if the Mufti goes beyond this [balance], in dealing with those who seek fatwa, then he has left the aim of the law giver [Allah]. For that reason, anything that goes beyond the range of moderation is considered debased by the scholars.

    I suggest you actually study Islam instead of following shahd opinion which have no basis in our Laws.

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    But the question is : even if the wording of the fatwa is wrong, then was does it change?

    I remember reading the new Mardin declaration, it's just a un-islamic bad joke. It should be called circus of Mardin.

    What are they saying exactly? That because this fatwa was corrupted, the other fataawaa of IT about fighting to one who does not follow the shari'a does not exist anymore?


    Ibn Taymiyah, in his fatwa, recognizes that the world is not to be divided simplistically into Islamic lands and non-Islamic lands, unlike many before him who held to that dualistic view.

    He recognized that there is a third type of society which has aspects of both. Furthermore, he stated that Muslims can live in such societies as long as they are free to practice their religion and that everyone should be afforded their rights. Muslims should recognize the religious rights of their fellow Muslims living in those lands, as well as the rights of the non-Muslims there who are not subject to Islamic Law.

    This fatwa has relevance for todays pluralistic world, where there is scarcely a country where Muslims do not live. The conditions the Muslims live under vary from country to country. In many countries of the world, Muslim minorities fully enjoy the right to practice their faith. They are allowed to worship according to Islamic teachings and they are not coerced into suppressing or abandoning their faith. Those countries may not be part of the Muslim world, but they are certainly lands of peace and security.
    So the USA should not be fought, right? This is "speaking the truth" and "moderation" and it's not a shaadh opinion, right?


    Here's what the martyred shaykh, mujahid and former mufti for the Chechen Mujahidin, Abu Umar al-Sayf, may Allah have mercy on him, had to say about his teacher, Shaykh ibn Uthaymin, may Allah have mercy on him:
    He's the same man who killed (with his ink) 4 muslims at khobar. Mercilessly. Because the poor american musta-miniin (it was reported in kaafir newspaper that the american army stayed in KSA without the permission of the king) where just poor victims of bloody man without "iimaan in their hearths" (quoting Ibn Baaz). This is why he called him (I 'U) "scholar of the governor."
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    I agree with the Shaykh because he states that we should respect all our scholars! Barrack ALlah in our Mighty shaykh, may Allah protect him and remove evil from over him

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    I have a question:

    Is there only one way to interpret the term 'Istahaqqa'...?

    Ibn Taymiyyah clearly used it in different contexts, some of them meaning 'to merit/deserve' rights, and in other cases in reference to punishment, for example:


    Here the same form that appears in the Mardin Fatwa appears in his Majmu' however with the connotation of 'coarse punishment' and Ta'zeer.

    Isn't it possible that with regards to the Muslims, then this refers to rights and with regards to the kuffar it refers to whatever they deserve of harshness and fighting?

    Same word in reference to two totally different populations. Unless Ibn Bayyah and his followers think that it meant Muslims and kuffar were equal before the law?

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    Who actually used this fatwa 'corrupted' or not to allow the killing of non-Muslims in by Muslims in the same land? I personally don't see it. If the conference is trying to say that the kafir army of Dar ul Murakkab which is fighting Muslims should not be fought then they are academically bankrupt.


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