I actually have no idea what he just wrote there.
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Bin Baz said: 'And indeed some Mushrikun claimed that their intention from worshipping the Prophets and the pious people, and from taking idols as lords beside Allah (swt), was to bring them near to Allah (swt) and gain the intercession through them to Allah (swt), Praise and Glory be to Him. But Allah (swt) rejected that and refuted it by saying: "And they worship besides Allah (swt) things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say `these are our intercessors with Allah (swt)'. Say `Do you inform Allah (swt) of that which he knows not in the Heavens and on the Earth?' Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!"
asalamolaikum.
The 'swiss cheese' reference is supposed to be a reference to an arguments with holes (i.e. flaws) in it.
But arguably the article has flaws in it, since it makes no reference to precedent in Islamic history for such a concept - Thumamah Ibn Uthal (as per The Treaty Of Hudaybiya), even if he feels it does not fit the situation.
To be fair to the author, he does not seem to be against the concept, merely whether they they have fully thought through all aspects of implementation.
Last edited by sulemanc; 7th December 2009 at 11:37 AM.
boycotting does work if enough people do it.
when the arab countries temporarily boycotted danish products it definitely made a difference and hurt the companies.
because us muslims dont really care and want to sweeten our attackers just to be bitten further there arent any large scale boycotts to make a difference. this authors solution is reaching out to those who 'disagree with us'. because boycotts fail. muslims have been trying to 'reach out' long before, that didnt work just like his idea of boycotts dont work. there can be as many interfaith dialogues and reaching out as anyone wants, but it wont do much..really. if people want to ban minarets, or insult Muhammed Sallallahu alahyi wasallam, or kill palestinians/iraqis/afghanis then all the reaching out in the world is not going to stop them
just shows what a pathetic state we are in, just like Muhammed sallallahu alayhi wasallam had told us of.
Last edited by Noorah; 7th December 2009 at 01:39 PM.
And He gave you of all that you asked for, and if you count the Blessings of Allah, never will you be able to count them. 14:34
Agreed. I heard that lost revenue was in the region of billions of USD.when the arab countries temporarily boycotted danish products it definitely made a difference and hurt the companies.
As one Shaykh told me, Due to our cowardice (jubn) we love our cheese (jubnah) more than our Rasool (s)...
Sounds good in Arabic anyway.
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This article is the usual nonsense that comes out of MM. Of course, Jaysh couldn't miss an opportunity like this to pitch his message of love and capitulation:
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December 7, 2009 • 1:04 am
An excellent response, brother Nadim. Jazakh-Allah Khair for your wise input.
I believe the proper way to react to the Swiss minaret issue is not through aggressive boycotts and angry pitchfork-wielding mobs, but rather with softness and in a way “that is better.” Let’s educate people. That is the proper solution. If we react in a harsh manner, we only help out the right-wing Islamophobes…It is a reaction they desperately want as it further enables them, so let’s not give it to them.
-J.Hashmi
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[The treatment of the] hapless race of native Americans, which we are exterminating with such merciless and perfidious cruelty, [is] among the heinous sins of this nation, for which I believe God will one day bring [it] to judgment. --- President John Quincy Adams, cited in Noam Chomsky’s book, “Hopes and Prospects”
pitchfork-weilding mobs? lol
yes Jaysh so why couldn't you follow your methods and implement them on IA?but rather with softness and in a way “that is better.” Let’s educate people. That is the proper solution.
because SOMETIMES BEING HARSH IS EFFECTIVE its also from the sunnah [as you already know] ..lets face it, Jaysh and his methods [holey or unholey] have proved fruitless even against his own brethren here on the net so what then of the aggressive kuffar in the big wide world? i imagine they would take him him for a right mug and enslave his ass! how can you teach someone who doesn't want to learn ?
im not throwing his approach against the wall [though i'd like to throw him against the wall] but everything has its place, unfortunately everythings been for a while now, in the hands of moderates and defeatest mindsets..
thanks but no tanksyou a freed from hardship
justabro i remember debating with this guy , he is filled with emotions and still feeling the effects of 9/11 [may Allah [swt] help him] i found him complaining about my spelling/grammer most of the time instead of having knowledge based refutations or some words from the scholors
allahu allam
Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936:
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
G. Massey
''They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority.''
What? aggressive boycotts? Boycotts by their definition are non aggressive. That is one way to hit someone whose ideas you don't like right where it hurts, the pocket book. If the Swiss want Muslim patronage then they should better shape up. Violent attacks of course would only become a self fulfilling prophecy. "We ban minarets because Muslims are taking over the country and now they attack us, it must be true!" Boycotts kick them where it hurts and shows them to be ignorant racists against building concrete in certain ways.MM Associates
December 7, 2009 • 1:04 am
An excellent response, brother Nadim. Jazakh-Allah Khair for your wise input.
I believe the proper way to react to the Swiss minaret issue is not through aggressive boycotts and angry pitchfork-wielding mobs, but rather with softness and in a way “that is better.” Let’s educate people. That is the proper solution. If we react in a harsh manner, we only help out the right-wing Islamophobes…It is a reaction they desperately want as it further enables them, so let’s not give it to them.
-J.Hashmi
Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936:
"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
G. Massey
''They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority.''
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