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    December 10, 2009
    Pakistan Detains Five Americans Tied to Militants

    BY SCOTT SHANE
    WASHINGTON — Five young Muslim American men from the Washington suburbs who disappeared late last month were detained in Pakistan on Wednesday in a police raid on a house linked to a militant group, American and Pakistani officials said.

    One of the men had left behind an 11-minute video calling for the defense of Muslims in conflicts with the West and suggesting that “young Muslims have to do something,” said one person who had seen the video, describing it as a farewell of sorts. Another official who viewed it called the video “disturbing,” though he said it was not a martyrdom video of the kind sometimes made by extremists planning suicide attacks.

    The five young men were detained at a house in Sargodha in Punjab Province that was occupied by Khalid Farooq, the father of one of the young men, Umer Farooq, according to an official familiar with the case. The elder Mr. Farooq is believed to have ties to Jaish-e-Muhammad, a banned Pakistani militant group, the official said. Pakistani news reports also said security officials linked the house to the militant group.

    The men, ranging in age from the late teens to early 20s, were not accused of any crime; their intent remained mysterious and both American and Pakistani officials emphasized that they were still gathering facts. One of the men, Ramy Zamzam, 22, is a dental student at Howard University, where he received an undergraduate degree this year with a major in biology and chemistry, according to his Facebook page.

    But their disappearance and resurfacing in Pakistan came amid broad concern in the United States about a rash of terrorism cases that appeared to be homegrown.

    Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an advocacy group that is working with the families of the young men, cautioned against hasty conclusions about the episode during a news conference in Washington with other Muslim leaders.

    But Mr. Awad, who said he had seen the video, and the other leaders said that the case — along with the recent recruitment of young Somali-American men in Minnesota by a violent group in Somalia — suggested that at least a small number young American Muslims were drawn to extremist views. They pledged to start a nationwide campaign to counter such attitudes.

    The five men, some of whom knew each other from their mosque in Alexandria, Va., disappeared from their homes in late November, officials said. Concerned family members contacted local imams and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR.

    Officials with the group met with the families on Dec. 1 and put them in touch with the Federal Bureau of Investigation the same day, said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the group.

    Mr. Hooper said neither the mosque — the I.C.N.A. Center, associated with the national Islamic Circle of North America — nor the Virginia families supported extremism or violence. “The Muslim community has taken the lead on this case in terms of taking it to law enforcement,” Mr. Hooper said.

    The Justice Department, in a statement, said the F.B.I. “is working with families and local law enforcement to investigate the missing students and is aware of the individuals arrested in Pakistan.”

    It continued, “We are working with Pakistan authorities to determine their identities and the nature of their business there, if indeed these are the students who had gone missing.”

    American and Pakistani officials said the five men flew from Dulles International Airport outside Washington and landed in Karachi, Pakistan, on Dec. 1, the day their families approached the F.B.I. They traveled to Hyderabad, Pakistan, and then to Lahore, where they spent five days before moving on to Sargodha.

    Asked for assistance by the F.B.I., Pakistani security officers tracked the men to Mr. Farooq’s house, where they were taken into custody on Wednesday, the officials said. In addition to Umer Farooq, two of the other men — named in Pakistani press accounts as Ahmed Abdullah and Waqar Khan — were described by officials as of Pakistani descent. Mr. Zamzam’s family is Egyptian and a fifth man, Aman Yasir, is of Yemeni descent, according to one official. Some were born abroad but all are now United States citizens, American officials said.

    Old friends of Mr. Zamzam seemed incredulous at the news that he had been detained in Pakistan. Zohra Alnoor, a student at Northern Virginia Community College, met Mr. Zamzam two years ago through the Muslim Students’ Association D.C. Council, an umbrella organization joining Washington-area colleges. Mr. Zamzam helped organize and competed in a yearly quiz competition about Islamic texts and issues, she said.

    “He was very devout, he wouldn’t date women,” she said. But she said she could not recall his expressing strong political beliefs.

    Mr. Zamzam lives with his parents and younger brother in a basement apartment in Alexandria, Va. The brother, who said he goes by the nickname Zam, said in an interview that Mr. Zamzam “is a good guy. He’s a normal Joe.” He said his brother earned a 4.0 grade point average and wanted to become a dentist.

    An upstairs neighbor, 16-year-old Peter Max-Jones, called Mr. Zamzam “very intelligent, very kind, very helpful. Good citizen, all around.” He said Mr. Zamzam’s family was “very patriotic, very quiet.”

    He added: “They’re never outside. They’re always at home, studying.”

    A year ago, in a Facebook message to a woman who questioned the need for women to cover their heads or faces, a person who identified himself as Mr. Zamzam responded by saying that the Koran “clearly instructs the believing women to cover themselves,” adding that “those that don’t, then woe to them for a day where all will be held accountable.”

    At the I.C.N.A. Center in Alexandria, which occupies a modest brick building without a sign at the edge of a residential neighborhood, most people arriving for prayers on Wednesday night declined to comment.

    One man who would not give his name acknowledged that he knew some of the young men but described them as unsophisticated.

    “They didn’t even know the price of beer,” the man said.

    According to documents posted on the Web, Mr. Zamzam led a drive last year by young Muslims affiliated with the I.C.N.A. Center to raise money to build a new mosque. The plan was to persuade 500 mosques around the United States each to donate $500 toward the cost, and Mr. Zamzam and 16 other activists named the effort Project 500.

    “We hope to inspire the Muslim youth all across America to step up and how everyone that we can get things done and prove we are the future of this Muslim Ummah,” or community, said a statement on Project 500’s now-defunct Web site. The site displays no hint of radicalism.


    Reporting was contributed by David Johnston, Mark Mazzetti, Eric Lichtblau, Jodi Kantor, Ashley Parker, Ashley Southall, Bernie Becker and Barclay Walsh from Washington.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/wo...10inquire.html
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    A year ago, in a Facebook message to a woman who questioned the need for women to cover their heads or faces, a person who identified himself as Mr. Zamzam responded by saying that the Koran “clearly instructs the believing women to cover themselves,” adding that “those that don’t, then woe to them for a day where all will be held accountable.”
    No sh*t?

    I mean, did he really, like really say that?

    *faints*

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    Wednesday, December 09, 2009 at 9:00PM Eastern Standard Time on Larry King Live

    Larry King: You have view the video is that correct?

    Nihad Awad (executive director of CAIR): Yes I did

    Larry King: How did you obtain it?

    Nihad Awad: well the families brought it with them when we connected them with the FBI in the presence of lawyers

    Larry King: What disturb you about it?

    Nihad Awad: Well the fact that it like almost like typical video that you see on the internet young Muslims misled and also misunderstanding certain verses of the Quran juxtaposing images of conflict to justify actions that they would like to take so that’s to me disturbing in light of the fact that these students have been describe by their families as upright engaging great you know sons

    Larry King: did it lead you to think that they may be up to no good

    Nihad Awad: yeah when you got a get to gather yeah I just walk away with that feeling and I think the same feeling the families had when they watched the video and that prompted them ton contact the leaders of the Mosque who also connected them with us they brought them to our office and then we just take a moment to thank the families for their courage and the leadership of the mosque who trusted us and we connected them with the FBI in the same day immediately and both the agency and the families are working together with our organization to close this chapter

    Larry King: Now before we continue with any anti Muslim thoughts that’s a very patriotic act on every body’s part.

    End of transcript

    Anyway after the above remark Mr. King and Peter Bergen went on their usual tirade against Muslims. Mr. Bergen did not wasted any time in attacking Imam Anwar al Awlaki and Internet!

    Mr. Awad’s blog and his picture Nihad Awad

    I do not need to say much about these people. You read the transcript and see it yourself. It is like history repeats its self and it will be a good time to read and re-read this book:

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    It will provide you with the detail information about tragic end of the Muslims who openly and proudly collaborated with the kuffar against the Mujahideen. They were the Amads and Awads of that time. I hope and pray that ALLAH keep us firm on this Deen and may HE guide today’s Amads & Awads to the right path

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    Larry King: You have view the video is that correct?

    Nihad Awad (executive director of CAIR): Yes I did

    Larry King: How did you obtain it?

    Nihad Awad: well the families brought it with them when we connected them with the FBI in the presence of lawyers
    Has this man got any fear of Allah? doesnt he fear the du'a of the brothers he is helping the kuffar to oppress?

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    “The Muslim community has taken the lead on this case in terms of taking it to law enforcement,” Mr. Hooper said.
    CAIR couldn't care less about these brothers and their families. Any sane person would know that contacting the FBI will only lead to more damage. Proof? How many of our innocent brothers and sisters, even scholars has the FBI arrested or even killed? Qaatalahumullaah.

    May Allaah protect our brothers, hasten their release, ease the affairs of their loved ones and rid us of the munafiqeen, ameen ya Rabbal 'alameen.
    Every oppressed one may become heedless for period of time in making du'a against his oppressor except the prisoner, for he knocks on the doors of the heavens each of his mornings and nights until he is released.

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    Has this man got any fear of Allah? doesnt he fear the du'a of the brothers he is helping the kuffar to oppress?
    well he sais that none of the ayat 'aggitates' him rather he is comforted by it all..he is sure of himself in that what he is doing pleases his Lord and all the thousands probably millions of Muslims in opposition just happen to misunderstand the texts its quite clear where their priorities lay, to bend over backwards pleasing the enemies of Allah just as the title CAIR suggests.


    Any sane person would know that contacting the FBI will only lead to more damage. Proof? How many of our innocent brothers and sisters, even scholars has the FBI arrested or even killed? Qaatalahumullaah.
    yes couldn't they have called missing persons or something i mean what crime did they do? this is what the kuffar want anyway for Muslims to hunt and accuse eachother based on suspicion in order so they dont have to
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    Let's re-write this news story without the kaffir-speak of the two-faced, hypocritical, fork-tongued, kuffar -

    "Amrikan hirelings in Pakistan arrested five Muslims - who happen to live in Amrika - on suspicion that these Muslims had or have links to those opposed to the Amrikan occupation of the Muslim land of Afghanistan, and opposed to Amrikan interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan..."

    A spokesman for the puppet Pakistan government - who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was afraid of reprisals from the Muslim resistance - said, "We acted on information received from the Amrikan government because that's what we're paid to do now..."
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    Just a little hint how kuffar dealt with yesterday’s J, Amad, and Awad they were loyal citizen and were staunchly against those Khawarij, takferi, extremists, terrorists, fundamentalists, radicals, & Jihadi Muslims!

    Alas their patriotism did not saved them we will see if today’s J, Amad, and Awad can outsmart the present day kuffar....

    "Finally on, January 12-13, 1610, the proclamation for the expulsion of the Muslims of the Spanish Provinice of Andalucia was produced,... this edit targeted those who had actually collaborated with the the spanish actively, were actual murtads or had out of fear, not join the jihad!

    Now their time had come and you can be sure there were many 'Muslims' that were shocked on that day due to their belief that their loyalty to the kuffaar had bought them security!"

    Chapter 4: The Relocation and Expulsion: The Endgame Unfolds.

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    were any of these bros members on this board?

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