Asalaamu aleikom wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh


Harbi, you speak so much trash that sometimes it's difficult to keep up with- I wrote this when the server was down, and doubtless you've churned out a lot more since then

The war in Afghanistan is not a 'Western Jihad', so stop treating it like one; the soldiers who obey orders and sacrifice their lives are dying for a failing cause- it's a terrible waste of young lives; the western armies are not forces of light fighting forces of darkness, so stop speaking like you think that's the case. They'll win every major military engagement; kill 100 times more than they lose, but this will not win the war- they will lose and some politician will invent some clever excuse to withdraw 'honourably' to hide their failure. In a wordly sense- as atheists like yourself believe- it will have been a total waste- there will be no heaven waiting for those who died in what they believed in; just ceremonies done as a tradition that mean nothing to anyone

Yes, the west wants to colonize Afghanistan. We all want to live in some compound made of clay in a desolated area with no water, electricity and medical care.
No they don't. They're acting according to what they believe is in the interests of their security; they want to prop up a friendly government- defend it with their armies and spend billions of dollars funding it and its institutions- because they think this is the best way to acheive stability and security for themselves and for the region

Now tell me, are the US lackeys by some strange definition NOT from Afghanistan? And please do tell me why the hell every single muslim on this planet knows exactly who is right and who is wrong in a conflict involving someone being a muslim simply because this individual was born in a country being muslim by tradition?
You're right, there are plenty of Muslim lackeys- from Afghanistan and otherwise...Please tell me why every single secular liberal/conservative democrat knows exactly who is right and who is wrong in a conflict involving someone being a secular liberal/conservative democrat simply because this individual was born in a country being secular liberal/conservative democratic by tradition?

It's called a belief system; strangely enough to you, Muslims believe in Islam quite seriously, and their personal, social and worldviews are all patterned according to its laws and customs. Similarly, many secular democrats do exactly the same- treating a set of values they by no means view to be unquestionable, perfect and from God- to be exactly that. Does that sound reasonable to you?

Let me tell you who the Taliban are - they are the enemy of the afghani population.
I don't care about this group or that in this context- I'm merely trying to dissect your points insha'Allah; how much of the statement 'the taliban are the enemy of the afghan people' is ideologically driven? If not, then was the UIC in Somalia 'the enemy of the Somali people', as opposed to the corrupt, murderous warlords that the US government funded as a counterbalance?

Are the US and other western governments dedicated to their set of values, or will they violate them if they see it to serve their 'greater' practical interests?

[QUOTE]Now disagree because you're a muslim, and go read about the expansion of the caliphates and the Ottoman Empire and see if their expansion differ from european colonial expansion. QUOTE]

I'm sure you're pretty ignorant about the Muslim expansions, but I'd bank that there was a difference of some sorts. But yes- Muslims and non-Muslims believe in fighting 'aggressively/pro-actively' to spread their faith/ideology, but then for a Muslim it is their God-given religion and benefits others in this life and the next; for westerners it may be the best way of life currently available, but little else. As I've said many times, such a hollow message will inevitably be 'bolstered' by Xtianity- you cannot argue that a purely wordly set of values can ever hope to defeat or inspire in the same way religious values can- especially one that focuses so much on the Hereafter and sacrificing for God's Cause (as Islam does)

You'd probably notice there is no difference - you're just disapointed that Islam had its chance and once were as powerfull as the christian europe, but failed miserably .
It's interesting the way you speak- you'd struggle to read this and think you're actually an atheist- can you see that passion for the traditions of your country/faith that exist with zero religious belief or practise? How strange; how much of your opposition to Islam is because you see it as different from your culture; foreign?

when the europeans decided to take control of the land once conquered by muslim invaders
Interesting view of history, but it's full of crap, as usual. If you'll care to think, most of the Muslim lands colonised by Europe remain Muslim; the reverse is not the case (at least for the earlier Muslim conquests)- except in the case of wholesale massacre and exile, e.g. Spain

No Muslim is jealous of Christians- they see their religion as a sellout mockery (just look how every Xtian sect has readily changed its religious beliefs and practises to appease the masses; beliefs that people once died to defend) of the original monotheistic message of Jesus (peace be upon him); they see them as people wandering with no practical guidance for their lives (compare Islamic jurisprudence- based on Prophetic teachings- to the relative absence of Xtian ones). They don't take their own religion seriously- how many articles carried this tone when those accursed danish cartoons came out?

Modern-day western Xtianity- of all branches- is a bizarre mix of enlightenment values, secularism and Xtianity (the partly authentic, partly corrupted teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) with an unhealthy dose of Greek philosophy)- and the contradiction is gaping. However 'backward' their values, nobody can accuse Muslims of being inconsistent to that level. Is this the attitude someone should have with God's message; water it down, change it to suit your desires, and play with it like some sort of game? Is that what 'progress' is?

They're the most sincere and humble people you can find, but to many of them, the fear of God is non-existant; if God punishes them with an earthquake, there is no self-reflection; only cursing God and saying 'why did this happen to me'? Praise be to Allah, for all their evils, the Muslims are generally not this bad; they're not that arrogant to think that way. Some of this attitude is a result of Muslim beliefs in predestination as well (often falsley maligned as 'fatalism', but that's another story...), but the attitude towards God is definitely a major part as well

Muslims are in a poorly wordly position because of spiritual and wordly factors; and anyone who claims the Muslim world is ruled by Islamic law is speaking rubbish; it is mostly governed by secular western-backed despots that they bolster to ensure that their interests aren't threatened; it was never to do with freedom, only making sure Muslims swallowed their false values..Interesting contradiciton

And non-Muslims have little to blame for in comparison to 'Muslims' themselves; you're right- change comes from within

With all due respect, if that's what Western values mean- selling your Hereafter for the sake of making a bit more money, or other apparent wordly 'good', then you can take your values and go to Hell

May Allah guide you