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September 11th - Separating the Truth from the Lies

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    PART SEVEN

    Interviewer : How do you know that?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Because as I told you in my former service in the Soviet nuclear intelligence I knew about the nuclear demolition of the World Trade Centre. According to the peaceful nuclear explosions treaty there was a limitation, you could not use more than one hundred and fifty ton warhead. That was the largest allowed by the treaty. One hundred and fifty kiloton would be enough to evaporate granite rock, to create a cavity of one hundred metres. When it explodes ninety nine percent of its energy is carried by x-rays, the rock gets overheated and evaporates, and this cavity remains underground. The walls of the cavity are covered by volcanic glass. The cavity is filled with gases and the high pressure tends to expand the cavity in every direction. Eventually the cavity expands to its secondary size, the neighbouring area of the rock becomes very compressed, and then further area in the rock becomes damaged. In nuclear science we call this crushed zone, and then the next area is called damaged zone. Within the crushed zone is completely pulverized material, it contains microscopic dust, micron size particles. It doesn't matter what it is - steel, granite, concrete, human beings, it doesn't matter.

    Interviewer : That dust, how big will the particles be?

    Dimitri Khalezov : A few microns, it's microscopic size, smaller than human hair. In the crushed zone is completely pulverized material. In the damage zone it is disintegrated material. So the radiation is absorbed by the rock. So the nuclear explosion starts, energy is released, next the rock gets evaporated, the cavity is one hundred metres

    Interviewer : We've got this pulverized dust?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes.

    Interviewer : So it doesn't matter what this material is, steel, human beings?

    Dimitri Khalezov : It doesn't matter, it will be pulverized. I want to explain the destructive factors of underground nuclear explosions. There was no air blast wave because it was underground. The penetrating ionizing radiation was absorbed by the surrounding rock. The highly radioactive gases which are inside the cavity will eventually escape to the surface through crevices in the rock. They will escape eventually. You can't go to the epicentre for another three years.

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    PART EIGHT

    Interviewer : Three years, because it's radioactive?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Of course, deadly radioactive.

    Interviewer : How long does it stay hot for?

    Dimitri Khalezov : For one hundred and fifty kilotons it should be for one year.

    Interviewer : you've just explained about a general underground explosion, and for a one hundred and fifty kiloton yield it should be five hundred metres below the ground. Would that be the same measure they used in the world trade centre?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, what we saw in the world trade centre was a different arrangement. Ok I will try to explain it to you. The world trade centre was positioned like this...this is the ground level, the tower was built that way - it went underground twenty seven metres. So in order to demolish it you have to place the nuclear charge fifty metres below the lowest floor of the tower. Fifty metres is perfect if the cavity is one hundred metres diameter, it reaches the bottom floor of the world trade centre. The tower loses its foundation and it sinks into the cavity and it melts because the temperature is extremely high. Measuring from the earth's surface the nuclear charge was positioned seventy seven metres below ground.

    Interviewer : What actually happened?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Not only was the underground cavity created, it was surrounded by the crushed zone and the damaged zone. The tower was twenty seven metres underground, the nuclear charge was seventy seven metres underground. The resistance of materials is the same in every direction, but if we position the nuclear charge closer to the earth's surface the cavity will be shaped pointing upwards because the resistance of materials towards the earth's surface is the least and everything goes in the way of least resisstance.

    Interviewer : So if the pressure is going through the foundations then it reaches the floor, then it reaches the carpet, then it reaches the desk, there's nothing lile solid granite it's pushing against?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, the cavity tends to increase in the way of least resistance. The granite underground is solid, strong material while the tower is half empty.

    Interviewer : If it's only seventy seven metres below the earth's surface wouldn't we hear an enormous explosion?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, you'll feel the shaking of the earth.

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    PART NINE

    Dimitri Khalezov : You can measure it on the Richter scale, one hundred and fifty kiloton will produce maybe five point seven.

    Interviewer : The fireman testified when he left the Mariott centre I felt the ground shaking and then he looked up and saw the south tower coming down.

    Dimitri Khalezov : That's a reasonable explanation, the expansion of these zones towards the tower's structure took a few seconds, because the nuclear explosion happens the earth shakes and then the pressure of gases begins to expand the cavity and creates these zones which continues into the tower's structure. Between the explosion and this process it will be a few seconds...In this film you can see the tower begin to shake...you can measure twelve seconds and the tower started to come down.

    Interviewer : So it takes twelve seconds for what to happen?

    Dimitri Khalezov : In these twelve seconds the pulverization wave was directed towards the tower.

    Interviewer : Pulverization - that means the pressure causing the crashed zone?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Ok I'll explain, let's say this is our tower...this is the earth's surface...the nuclear charge is here...At first it will create the primary cavity because of the disappearance of the rock, and then the pressure of the gases will try to expand the cavity so it will expand the cavity, and then the next area will be compressed by this process, so it will create the three zones, the outer one is the damage zone, and this is the crushed zone, and this is the cavity, and they will expand. The tower's foundation will be reached by the expanding cavity. The damaged zone will continue to propagate upwards until it reaches around three hundred and fifty metres. Then it will be followed by the border of the crushed zone which will continue in the same direction, until it reaches maybe three hundred metres, and only then it will be reached by the end of the expanding cavity. So in this process as you can see the first tower will be damaged into small pieces until three hundred and fifty metres, it will be pulverized up to three hundred metres. The crushed zone will be dust...and this area between three hundred and three hundred and fifty metres will be debris... and because the tower was around four hundred metres this part will be undamaged. Due to gravitational forces it will press down.

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    PART TEN

    Interviewer : When we saw the towers collapse it cascaced out of the sides with dust

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes you can see when the towers started to collapse it scattered debris in the first two seconds and then it scattered dust. The debris belonged to the damaged zone and the dust belonged to the crushed zone.

    Interviewer : Is there any other explanation for the dust?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Look how can you transform three hundred and fifty metres of thick steel, as thick as tank armour, into microscopic dust? A nuclear explosion can do that.

    Interviewer : The official explanation tells us there was a pancaking, floor by floor

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes but did you see any floor by floor pancaking?

    Interviewer : No resistance?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, almost speed of free fall, this tower was such a fine dust. It was a nuclear device, otherwise why do they call it ground zero?

    Interviewer : Ok tell us about ground zero

    Dimitri Khalezov : I have Webster's dictionary here, ground zero is the point on the surface of the earth or water directly below, directly above or at which an atomic or hygrogen bomb explodes. Does it say it is the place of pancake collapse? After September 11th this dictionary stated that it is the place where a large bomb explodes where the most severe damage happens. In the 2000 version it defines it as a place of nuclear explosion and in the 2007 edition it says where a large bomb explodes.

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    PART ELEVEN

    Interviewer : This dust, this pulverized dust that coverd Manhattan, is it radioactive?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, it's not, ok I will try to explain it to you, many people because they believe that the explosion under the World Trade Centre was nuclear then this dust must be radioactive. No it was not, I will explain it to you why. During an atmospheric nuclear explosion when we have that well known mushroom cloud it will suck the dust from ground level, there's high temperature inside the cloud and it's radioactive, when it coold down it will fall down so this is the radioactive dust but there was nothing like this here because all the radioactive materials was concentrated inside the cavity, and this dust was compressed by the pressure wave. It was harmful if you inhaled it, it was microscopic material and not radioactive poisoning.

    Interviewer : If some of the dust particles were asbestos and if you inhaled that was dangerous

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes if you inhaled asbestos it will have the harmful effects of asbestos but what was radioactive in this case was the weapon. Let me talk about the safe distance for detonating a one hundred and fifty kiloton nuclear charge. It was five hundred metres, you remember I explained it to you? When you make a nuclear explosion at a depth of five hundred metres it will create a cavity of one hundred metres and still there is one hundred metres of soil as filter so the radioactive gases will be filtered on the way, so it will tremendously decrease the radioactivity. The tower was only twenty seven metres below the surface and the position of the nuclear charge was another fifty metres. The filter was twenty seven metres, even this will not serve as a filter because the World Trade Centre fell into the cavity. So anyone who was working on the ground they inhaled the radiation.

    Interviewer : Let's stay on this shock wave which shot through the building, pulverising steel, human beings, desks, computers, turning it into microscopic dust, flying all over Manhattan, and the composition of that dust is either concrete or steel, it was terribly fine?

    Dimitri Khalezov : You could actually distinguish the material, the dust was represented by the steel because the major part of the tower was steel. The concrete was little compared to the steel. The volume of concrete used in the towers' construction was negligible compared to the volume of steel. Concrete was used in the floor slabs. Most of the dust was steel dust. There was also human being dust because human beings were reduced to the same state.

    Interviewer : The cavity at this point is still at an enormous temperature?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes thousands of degrees celsius.

    Interviewer : And that would take a long time to cool down?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes, to completely cool down for a one hundred and fifty kiloton nuclear device it will take at least one year.

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    PART TWELVE

    Interviewer : Now let's talk about the free fall speed of the two towers, so there was basically dust holding it up and that's why it falls at near free fall speed?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes

    Interviewer : If some of the dust particles were asbestos and if you inhaled that was dangerous

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes the dust was so fine it was like microscopic dust, it did not produce any resistance at all.

    Interviewer : Ok what about World Trade Centre Seven?

    Dimitri Khalezov : World Trade Centre is another story because it was not hit by a plane, it was difficult to explain it.

    Interviewer : So difficult that the 9-11 commission report completely omitted it.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes because they have nothing to explain it.

    Interviewer : How do you explain it?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Ok first of all let's look at one of the available movies showing the collapse.

    Interviewer : It collapsed in six point seven seconds, straight down.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes almost at the speed of free fall. The mechanics of the collapse look different, the difference is like this...This is the height of the World Trade Centre Seven, the crushed zone reached the top of the tower. The complete structure was pulverized. It represented a pile of dust.

    Interviewer : You can see as if there was no foundation.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes you can see that once it started to go down there were two sources of dust, one on top and the other one from below. World Trade Centre Seven was the command centre of the entire World Trade Centre complex. At the time of the destruction of the two towers the nuclear devices had to be delivered under the two towers. They had to destroy World Trade Centre Seven otherwise the enquiries would have found out. The World Trade Centre Seven demolition was a pure hiding of evidence.

    Interviewer : Why launch two wars against two Muslim countries and stir up anti-Muslim hysteria throughout the world?

    Dimitri Khalezov : That's just a common step in politics. It has been described in George Orwell's "1984". Like for examplen when there was the nuclear bombing in Beirut against American marines in 1983 the first thing that the American government did was the invasion of Grenada to distract the people from the nuclear explosion in Beirut. September 11 was a much bigger event so the war should be bigger.

    Interviewer : Ok, World Trade Centre Seven housed outside Washington the largest secret service office, it housed the emergency operation centre, it housed legal material, it was a very important centre. Have you thought of other reasons why that building particularly would be destroyed?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Many believe that World Trade Centre Seven was demolished because it contained incriminating evidence, but I believe the entire demolition scheme for the World Trade Centre was based in World Trade Centre Seven, the delivery tunnels were leading from World Trade Centre Seven and the actual nuclear devices were kept under World Trade Centre Seven.

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    PART THIRTEEN

    Interviewer : In the book you explain the positioning of the charges and the effect on the other buildings in the World Trade Centre complex, can you explain how you made those calculations?

    Dimitri Khalezov : It's quite easy if you look at the entire picture of the World Trade Centre, you can see that three buildings were pulverized, building seven and bulidings one and two. The rest of the buildings were just damaged. What is very interesting is that the building behind World Trade Centre Seven was also damaged and it's very easy to understand why. Building Seven has the form of a trapezium and if you want to demolish this building you have to position the charge here in the middle of the imaginary cirlce, as you can see from this picture here the buliding occupies half of the circle, and the other half of the circle touches part of the other building on the othe side of the road. So that is exactly why when they damaged building seven they did not manage to touch the US Post Office and the other building, Verizon, but they were not able to avoid damaging the Verizon building.

    Interviewer : We see that you position where the charges were on one and two. They weren't directly under the towers were they?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No they were not exactly at the centre of the towers' footprints but a little bit away from it. That's why there were surviving corners.

    Interviewer : I have to ask you how were you able to calculate that it wasn't in the centre?

    Dimitri Khalezov : It is quite easy to calculate as you can see in this photograph one of the surviving corners.

    Interviewer : So let me fully understand this what you're saying is the explosion's off centre so the effect running up the tower is also off centre.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Ok let's imagine that this is our tower, and the position of the charge is exactly in the middle. So the damaged and crushed zone will propagate almost equally, but if the position of the nuclear charge is here, away from the middle it will produce the zones which will go this way and the corner survives.

    Interviewer : So by looking at the corner you were able to calculate how off centre the charge was?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes it was quite easy to calculate.

    Interviewer : What happens then to the blast wave when it gets to the surface and it hits the atmosphere?

    Dimitri Khalezov : It will just pulverize everything in its way so it will pulverize part of the tower and part of the earth's surface.

    Interviewer : But what happens when it hits the air?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Nothing, because it's like compression wave

    Interviewer : So it is compressing only when it meets resistance?

    Interviewer : Yes

    Interviewer : So you were able to look at the damage and calculate exactly where the zero box would have been?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes it is quite easy to calculate, if you look at this picture this one is an aerial photograph dated September 23rd, you can see the epicentres were here.

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    PART FOURTEEN

    Interviewer : There are some interesting things that you refer to in your book about what happened to the Kursk missiles and the missile silos after the missile was recovered, can you talk about that for a moment?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes because of certain Russian officials they knew that missiles from Kursk submarine were stolen, there was nothing in the silos and they did not want the recovery workers to know so they have to produce some cover up story. Firstly they have to hide the fact the missiles were stolen, and secondly they have to decommission the missiles without attracting much attention.

    Interviewer : Ok, so they recover the submarine, what did they do then?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Before they recover the submarine they sent some special unit of divers with stringent instructions to fill the empty tubes with fast setting foam

    Interviewer : What would be the point of fast setting foam?

    Dimitri Khalezov : To hide the non-existence of the missiles, the official version is that they have to use that foam to prevent the missile from vibrating during transportation, which is just ridiculous because the missiles were in combat position and they were tightly placed. You can see in this picture of the Pentagon the missile managed to fly six hundred kilometres and penetrate six walls of the Pentagon

    Interviewer : So they filled the missile tubes with fast setting foam and then?

    Dimitri Khalezov : And then they sealed the lids and then they started the recovery operation. They decided to cut the entire silos from the body of the submarine using electric welding.

    Interviewer : They cut the silos out of the submarine?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Completely, and then they transported them to some secure location and allegedly they destroyed the missiles along with the silos.

    Interviewer : So what did they do with the silos once they had been cut out of the submarine?

    Dimitri Khalezov : They produced the public story that the silos were badly damaged, they could not be opened, and then they delivered these missiles to some remote area and allegedly destroyed them with ordinary explosives. It seems they were destroyed by nuclear devices just to make sure they were completely destroyed, because you cannot destroy such things with ordinary explosives because something may remain.

    Interviewer : Going back to your military experience what should have taken place?

    Dimitri Khalezov : They should bring the submarine back and then they should create a commission which will consist of the constructor of the missiles and the constructor of the warheads and specialists in containing nuclear warheads and the people from the north fleet who are specialists in maintaining the missiles and also commanders of submarines in the same class as Kursk.

    Interviewer : So this is a full committee of important people because this is an important matter of twenty two thermonuclear warheads?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes

    Interviewer : What would that committee do?

    Dimitri Khalezov : They would appoint some people to get missiles to some location where they can study them and make a report to evaluate what to do next.

    Interviewer : So weapons grade plutonium is an extremely valuable item and presumably it is carefully controlled?

    Dimitri Khalezov :Of course, because it's a weapons grade material they're afraid that such a thing can go to some country which is not supposed to possess it.

    Interviewer : So there are clearly designated control factors that have to be observed?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes, weapon grade uranium even though it does not need to be used as a weapon you can still use it for reactor quality uranium. You can always find use for it.

    Interviewer : So you will never in your wildest dreams throw it away?

    Dimitri Khalezov : No, why should you? It's like gold, it's more expensive than gold.

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    PART FIFTEEN

    Interviewer : Do you have any experience in your time in the Twelfth Directorate of this kind of material being thrown away?

    Dimitri Khalezov : I wasn't a specialist in nuclear materials but I can confirm for you no. When some nuclear warhead is to be decommissioned, in most of the cases this material will be made into something, probably used in the next generation of warheads, dor if they don't want to use it in the warheads they may use it in producing nuclear reactor quality uranium.

    Interviewer : So your only explanation for the destruction of the warheads from Kursk is that they weren't there and that's why they were destroyed to hide the evidence

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes.

    Interviewer : It would be embarrasing to let the world know that the Russians had misplaced twenty two missiles. Some people believe that two of them were used in the World Trade Centre.

    Dimitri Khalezov : And there's no question in your mind that the destruction of the missiles from the Kursk is a deliberate act to hide the fact that the missiles were no longer there?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes.

    Interviewer : And you are saying in your book that there are twenty one missiles unaccounted for?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes, twenty two minus one - the one that flew into the Pentagon.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Let's be absolutely clear about what you're saying, this is the book detailing what happened and you've given it to the American embassy and the American embassy hasn't come back to you and said "Is there any evidence you can tell us to help us find where these other missiles are?"

    Interviewer : No.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Even if they thought you were stark raving mad why wouldn't they come back to you and say help us to find where these other missiles are?

    Dimitri Khalezov : It ems that they are satisfied with what they know. Secondly, the high ranking officials told people not to talk about this and just forget it. It might be they were ordered not to continue with this enquiry.

    Interviewer : I refuse to believe that senior officials within the American government will ignore the possibility that there might be twenty one missiles unaccounted for. The only explanation that I can think of is that they already know where they are.

    Dimitri Khalezov : I don't know, I have no explanation.

    Interviewer : The lay person's perception of a nuclear explosion is completely different from how a nuclear explosion takes place underground. When we were first informed that there was a nuclear explosion taking place in Manhattan we dismissed that as nonsense, there's no mushroom cloud, there's no radiation, and now having explained it taking place underground all of the energy, all of the things we associate with a nuclear explosion underground it's only an associated effect that causes the demolition of the World Trade Centre.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Yes it's a psychological problem. They expect it to be something like Hiroshima but in reality it was a nuclear explosion underground. This is well known to specialists.

    Interviewer : Your testimony is graphically clear, you knew about the twin towers' demolition scheme from your service?

    Dimitri Khalezov : Absolutely, I knew it from my service.

    Interviewer : Let's turn to seismic reports in your book. Seismic records show at eighty forty six am with the impact of the first plane a magnitude of nought point nine on the Richter scale, the second impact nought point seven, the first collapse two point one, the second collapse two point three, and with the World Trade Centre Seven collapse nought point six. Help us with that because this is presumably an independent authority that would have produced these seismic records.

    Dimitri Khalezov : Nothing is really independent when it comes to these kind of circumstances. As you can see in this sesmograph the two peaks that are supposed to represent the two nuclear explosions in the World Trade Centre during their collapses, first of all they were not natural they were probably hand made, they're just too perfect to be natural. The second thing is that they're supposed to represent the explosions of nuclear devices, one hundred and fifty kiloton nuclear explosions would produce much bigger peaks than these two.

    Interviewer : If the seismic reports accurately represented a one hundred and fifty kiloton nuclear explosion what level on the Richter scale would be shown?

    Dimitri Khalezov : More than five point seven.

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