"Singular Voice" Attacks Amad of MM and immigrant Muslims

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    So they are not even muslim? I thought they were just faasiqs and not kaafirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nu7 View Post
    So they are not even muslim? I thought they were just faasiqs and not kaafirs.
    They openly accept and participate in Democracy. You will find that Tariq Nelson's posts in particular are filled with blatant and open kufr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nu7 View Post
    So they are not even muslim? I thought they were just faasiqs and not kaafirs.
    I don't know that they are kuffar. I haven't seen anything from them that would take them outside to fold of Islam. Certainly they are hypocrites and people of vain desires and heresy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_Mujahid View Post
    I don't know that they are kuffar. I haven't seen anything from them that would take them outside to fold of Islam. Certainly they are hypocrites and people of vain desires and heresy.
    What about their open endorsement of Democracy and participation in the kufr elections? What about their vicious attacks on Islamic tenets such as jihad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Muawiyah View Post
    What about their open endorsement of Democracy and participation in the kufr elections? What about their vicious attacks on Islamic tenets such as jihad?
    Do they say that secular democracy is valid political system, or do they just encourage voting to secure the lesser of two evils or to serve the interests of the Muslims? As for Jihad do they deny it as a tenet or do they just make the dull condemnations of "terrorism"? I hate these guys as much as anyone, but we have to be just and apply the principles of takfir very carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_Mujahid View Post
    Do they say that secular democracy is valid political system, or do they just encourage voting to secure the lesser of two evils or to serve the interests of the Muslims? As for Jihad do they deny it as a tenet or do they just make the dull condemnations of "terrorism"? I hate these guys as much as anyone, but we have to be just and apply the principles of takfir very carefully.
    It seems to me that they validate the kufr system and reject jihad in total. That makes them kufaar and worthy of full enmity from us

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