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This is a discussion on Taliban & Hizb-e-Islam Fallout? within the Global Affairs forums, part of the Main Topics category; Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen So, what does that say about the Taliban who continue to ally with Hekmatyar? what ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    So, what does that say about the Taliban who continue to ally with Hekmatyar?
    what i understand from this is that there is a precedent in sharia that permits such collaboration in order to fulfill an obligation lets not forget that even during the medinan period even the hypocrites were expected to form ranks..

    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    It is a mutual feeling among the majority of Afghans to remove all foreign fighters in Afghanistan. We want our land and lives back.
    well its a shame that many dont feel the same way about the invaders. under the circumstances islam's primary concern is the eviction of infidel invaders not so much the expulsion of 'muslim mercenaries'....

    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    I'm speaking of Al Qaeda the organization, which came to Afghanistan after the Taliban. What blessing did they bring to the Afghan people?
    every afghan that refused to help disarm the northern bandits there was a foreign fighter to take his place..


    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    Which oppressed Muslims did AQ FREE from oppression? Which Muslims are now enjoying the freedoms given to them by AQ? And how did they give them that freedom? With what price tag? How much did it cost; and what did it cost?

    Do you see those Muslims living better lives? If so, how and where? Do they have more schools in their regions due to AQ? Higher level of education? More jobs? Better health structures?
    one might ask the same of the invaders.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    AQ brought NATO/West into Afgh. Without AQ's doing, NATO/WEST would not have been in Afghanistan and, quite likely, IEA would still be in power.
    thats like saying "if it hadn't been for the prophet (saw) the quraysh would not have marched against medina, yet here they are besieging us"

    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    We did give Bin Laden and AQ members safety due to our Pukhtunwali code of life. He asked for safety and we, as Pashtoons, are obliged to provide it as per our code of life. Right or wrong. That's just our way.
    then right or wrong snap out of your fixation on AQ, remember your code of life and respect the descicion made by mullah omar on behalf of the afghans and quit complaining about it afterall its just your way isnt it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spezalai Deen View Post
    This code of life has existed for Pashtoons long before Islam did. The code of life is a deep part of Pashtoons. They have lived by it and don't see it harmful in their belief as Muslims. In fact, they see it fit right in with their beliefs as Muslims.
    there is no reward in heaven if it is done out of tribalism wihtout the correct intention the deed is wasted, rather you should say that it is something that is commended by islam therefore it is islam that deserves recognition for making such a code universal and spreading it far and wide...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    The Taliban did offer to turn over bin Laden to the Amerikkkans, but only if the US would provide actual evidence against bin Laden: which the Amerikkkans refused to do. Again leading to the strong conclusion that 9/11 was an Amerikkkan false flag act!
    yes perhaps they did offer to surrender bin laden but american refusal to submit evidence was based on their rejection of the taliban, they didnt want to be seen giving recognition to a 'regime' they had previously attacked in 1998 and also starved it through sanctions and blockades and maligned it for many years before that hoping it would collapse without having to invade. i am baffled as to how their refusal indicated a 'false flag'???



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    The code is fine as long as it doesn't contradict Islam and Shariah. I clearly remember reading and hearing from authentic Islamic sources that Islam accepts cultural differences and traditions; again as long as they are not against any Islamic laws.

    As for "al-Qaeda", if they even are real I can't make judgment on all of them not knowing their intentions;
    Funny.

    but if they allegedly did some of the things that are claimed (that are really US elite false flags) then they would being going against the true rulings of the Prophet that no women or children are to be killed in a legal combat.
    True.

    And it's also probably true that the prophet Muhammad said : Allah can use a perverted man to make his religion victorious.

    At least, it happened hundred of times during our history.
    In true Jihad not even trees or property is to be damaged only the military of the opponent is a a legal target.
    It's okay to burn and cut some trees under some circumstances or destroy some properties.
    Even if your soldiers do things that are not okay, they don't loose their title of mujaahidiin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluma View Post
    Funny.

    It's okay to burn and cut some trees under some circumstances or destroy some properties.
    Even if your soldiers do things that are not okay, they don't loose their title of mujaahidiin.
    As for "funny" I don't know what you mean, again there is nothing wrong in Islamic law with cultural differences or specific cultural traditions as long they don't have anything in them that goes against any Islamic laws.

    Also yes there are specific times when there can be excuses for damaging some property (as long your not doing it on purpose). Also in Jihad we have to be so careful that we don't kill any innocents as Allah(SWT) tells us in his Holy Qur'an; Holy Qur'an Surah 5:32-


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    Holy Qur'an Surah 5:32-
    For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

    This lesson is for us in addition to the Bani Israel of old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    don't know what you mean, again there is nothing wrong in Islamic law with cultural differences or specific cultural traditions as long they don't have anything in them that goes against any Islamic laws.
    I think you still don't understand the issue.
    The issue is that any act of worship (not related to other affairs, we are not talking about culture here) directed and performed for and to anything excluding Allah will be rejected.
    If one fights to defend his land or protect a Muslim to comply with a foreign code of conduct specific to a clan or tribe or tradition or customs then it will never be accepted by Allah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    Wikipedia has been shown in studies to actually be highly accurate (almost on par with encyclopedia's one has to purchase like say Britannica). Also what I posted from Wikipedia was sourced it was taken from the history work of ibn Ishaq and the English translation citation information is at the bottom of that Wikipedia page. Also I showed that clearly, the war broke out not simply because of the Muslim woman being dishonored by the Jew, but because of the bloodshed and fighting that ensued. The point is if the fighting hadn't happened, the specific criminal Jew would've been brought to account for his crimes we don't attack a whole tribe or group for the crimes of an individual. Islam is against pronouncing alleged collective guilt on innocent people, the laws are only for those who actually commit the crime.

    Wat about the Banu Qurayiza?
    The whole tribe's Males apart from pre pubecent boys were executed for aiding or keeping quite and going along with the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khilji View Post
    Wat about the Banu Qurayiza?
    The whole tribe's Males apart from pre pubecent boys were executed for aiding or keeping quite and going along with the actions of a few.
    Care to give a source, I've given you tons of hadith saying don't kill women or children directly from the Prophet(SAW). If you guys even try to defend al-CIA-duh who are nothing but Washington and Tel Aviv's bloodthirsty false flag killers you are just using religion for your own sick desires; and you sad people are disavowed and seen for nutjobs you are by 99% of this Ummah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    Care to give a source, I've given you tons of hadith saying don't kill women or children directly from the Prophet(SAW). If you guys even try to defend al-CIA-duh who are nothing but Washington and Tel Aviv's bloodthirsty false flag killers you are just using religion for your own sick desires; and you sad people are disavowed and seen for nutjobs you are by 99% of this Ummah!
    What specific proof do you want related to the story of Bany Quraydha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Jannah View Post
    What specific proof do you want related to the story of Bany Quraydha?
    That any innocent people were killed, as you sickos are trying to use for your dream of alleged events of 9/11 (which were a false flag by US elites anyway) carried out by your "heroes" al-CIA-duh!

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    The prophet (saws) ordered the killings of around 700 men and spared the women and children. Some will say that the 700 men are considered being fighters and combatants then their killing was allowed.
    Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
    I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4390)
    Therefore boys of 10-12 year old age and beyond were killed. And among the 700 men, there were also elders, rabbin, workers and the like and nothing prove that they were all fighters.
    These are facts.

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