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Taliban & Hizb-e-Islam Fallout?

This is a discussion on Taliban & Hizb-e-Islam Fallout? within the Politics, Jihad and Current Affairs forums, part of the Main Topics category; Originally Posted by Abu_Jannah The prophet (saws) ordered the killings of around 700 men and spared the women and children. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Jannah View Post
    The prophet (saws) ordered the killings of around 700 men and spared the women and children. Some will say that the 700 men are considered being fighters and combatants then their killing was allowed.
    Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
    I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4390)
    Therefore boys of 10-12 year old age and beyond were killed. And among the 700 men, there were also elders, rabbin, workers and the like and nothing prove that they were all fighters.
    These are facts.
    Do you have any scholars confirming this hadith from Sunan Abu Dawud as everyone acknowledges that Sunan Abu Dawud as Da'ef (weak) hadiths that are not true!

    Let me give you the truth from the pure sources, with no doubt!

    Holy Qur'an Surah 5:32- YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.

    And again from Sahih al-Bukhari The Prophet Prohibited The Killing of Women and Children. But What About Those Night Raids?

    CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

    Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 257:
    Narrated 'Abdullah: During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 258: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.

    Again all sources confirm there are many Da'ef hadith in Sunan Abu Dawud, so again what is the isnad and the ranking of what you bring? Also I again brought stronger evidence from the Holy Qur'an and Sahih al-Bukhari!








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    It's crazy, why are you bringing all the time the killing of women and children?? It's not at all the subject and there is no dispute regarding its prohibition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Jannah View Post
    The prophet (saws) ordered the killings of around 700 men and spared the women and children. Some will say that the 700 men are considered being fighters and combatants then their killing was allowed.
    Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
    I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4390)
    Therefore boys of 10-12 year old age and beyond were killed. And among the 700 men, there were also elders, rabbin, workers and the like and nothing prove that they were all fighters.
    These are facts.
    Your only proof again from Sunan Abu Dawud (that does have Da'ef hadith in it)

    Book 38, Number 4390: Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

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    Again this is referring to male fighters; and can't be used to attack civilians and especially when stronger sources (unlike Sunan Abu Dawud, that has many Da'ef hadith in it, so again confirm this hadiths isnad) like the Holy Qur'an Surah 5:32 and Sahih al-Bukhari refutes your sick ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu_Jannah View Post
    It's crazy, why are you bringing all the time the killing of women and children?? It's not at all the subject and there is no dispute regarding its prohibition.
    Again you brought hadith from a source that has many Da'ef hadiths in it, so do you have isnad and confirmed that this is not one of the Da'ef hadith in Sunan Abu Dawud?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    Again you brought hadith from a source that has many Da'ef hadiths in it, so do you have isnad and confirmed that this is not one of the Da'ef hadith in Sunan Abu Dawud?!


    روى الإمام أحمد عن عطية القرظي قال: عُرضتُ على النَّبيّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- يوم قريظة فأمر بي النَّبيّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- أن ينظروا هل أنبت بعد؟ فنظروني فلم يجدوني أنبت، فخلى عني، وألحقني بالسبي، وكذا رواه أهل السنن كلهم، وقال الترمذي: حسن صحيح
    فالقتل إنما كان للرجال وكل من أنبت، دون النساء فلم يقتل النساء ولا الأطفال. وإنما قتل امرأة واحدة من بني قريظة، وهي بنانة امرأة الحكم القرظي، بسبب أنها قتلت من المسلمين خلاد بن سويد بأن طرحت عليه الرحى، فقتلته فقتلت به. الطبقات الكبرى (3/530)، وتاريخ الطبري


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    حديث رقم: 4404
    سنن أبي داود > كتاب الحدود > باب في الغلام يصيب الحد


    حدثنا محمد بن كثير أخبرنا سفيان أخبرنا عبد الملك بن عمير حدثني عطية القرظي قال : (كنت من سبي بني قريظة فكانوا ينظرون فمن أنبت الشعر قتل ومن لم ينبت لم يقتل فكنت فيمن لم ينبت).

    الحكم على الكتاب بشكل عام : ذكر الإمام أبو داود مصنف هذا الكتاب أن الأحاديث التي في كتابه هي أصح ما عرف في الباب وقال ما كان في كتابي من حديث فيه وهن شديد فقد بينته وما لم أذكر فيه شيئا فهو صالح


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Rahman View Post
    Care to give a source, I've given you tons of hadith saying don't kill women or children directly from the Prophet(SAW). If you guys even try to defend al-CIA-duh who are nothing but Washington and Tel Aviv's bloodthirsty false flag killers you are just using religion for your own sick desires; and you sad people are disavowed and seen for nutjobs you are by 99% of this Ummah!
    Typical of your type, denying any knowledge of the affairs of Banu Quraidhza, Why dont you ask your Sheikh Wikipedia, is that not an authentic source, the chains of narration not sound, then get a second opinion from sheikh yahoo may be it will put some firmness in your stance of twisting Islam, you bring the proof to refute it I and other Muslims know quite well what the Prophet (Sws) did, you seem to have a prospective of the kuffar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khilji View Post
    Typical of your type, denying any knowledge of the affairs of Banu Quraidhza, Why dont you ask your Sheikh Wikipedia, is that not an authentic source, the chains of narration not sound, then get a second opinion from sheikh yahoo may be it will put some firmness in your stance of twisting Islam, you bring the proof to refute it I and other Muslims know quite well what the Prophet (Sws) did, you seem to have a prospective of the kuffar.
    the prophet sal allahu alayhi wasallam did not target women and children of banu quraydha. Neither did he order anyone to go and kill people indiscriminately.
    Something deep and thought provoking ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faqir Mohammad Darwesh View Post
    the prophet sal allahu alayhi wasallam did not target women and children of banu quraydha. Neither did he order anyone to go and kill people indiscriminately.
    Did I say that The Prophet of Mercy to Mankind (Muhammed, Peace and blessings of Allah subhanat'ala be upon him) targeted women and children of Banu Quraydhza or others for that instance discriminately or indiscriminately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khilji View Post
    Did I say that The Prophet of Mercy to Mankind (Muhammed, Peace and blessings of Allah subhanat'ala be upon him) targeted women and children of Banu Quraydhza or others for that instance discriminately or indiscriminately?
    No you did not.
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