The Strange Tale of the Death Threats that Never Were...
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- 28th October 2013 #1
The Strange Tale of the Death Threats that Never Were...
The Strange Tale of the Death Threats that Never Were ę Abdullah al Andalusi
I attended a ĎQuestion Timeí event [not hosted by BBC] on the topics of Ďradicalismí, Ďextremismí, Muslim national identity within Britain, and other topics.
We also covered the issue of Muslims going to Syria to fight, and the womenís driving ban in Saudi Arabia.
The event featured panelists responding to topics that were raised by the organisers, the audience, and also by the presenter, Ajmal Masroor.
The event was set-up by the Annoor Masjid, who kindly invited me to attend, and were professional and good intentioned in the organising of this event, to which I thank them deeply.
Along with me, the panellists were Nazia Matin, a co-ordinator for the UK governmentís Ďanti-extremismí program ĎPREVENTí, Richard bailey (former British military) who was a former-advisor to the current Somali president, and is now working with the Libyan government, and Professor Danjuma Behari, who is a historian.
I soon discovered that the eventís presenter, Ajmal Masroor was working with UK governmentís regional PREVENT co-ordinator [Nazia], and consequently the event seemed hijacked towards a notably government-approved agenda. The host, Ajmal Masroor, who was meant only to be the moderator, and not a panellist, then became the í5th panellistí who controlled the panel, expressed his own opinions, and challenged me a number of times, asking me that Ďshouldnít Muslims be proud of Ďourí island, it is an island?í (i.e. UK), to which I responded that the argument is absurd due to the fact that it would ignore Northern Ireland which is UK territory on a DIFFERENT ISLAND. He didnít like my argument for the universal humanitarian equality for all humans regardless of nationality, where all humans are morally of equal concern regardless of borders and artificial lines drawn on a map.
Ajmal then gave his final thoughts at the end of the event where his comments could be said without being contested by the panelists. Under the excuse of summarising the Ďtwo or three things that came out very clearly from our discussion todayí [sic] he made a number of statements which were NOT what the panelists agreed to, nor were these thoughts Ďvery clearlyí coming out from the discussion .
To counter an earlier point I made, that the West falsely and hypocritically accuses Muslims going to Syria to fight for Islam, as being terrorists [a point I made, which the audience agreed with, which included a Syrian sympathetic to the opposition] Ajmal said ĎIíve been to syria myself, and I tell you, syrians donít need you and I to go fight for them, weíre a liability on them, you need to do other thingsí [sic], by which he meant merely contributing financially only to officially sanctioned and government approved aid agencies which supply food to Syrian.
I found this suprising, considering that Ajmal HIMSELF said on his facebook post (here) advertising [and summarising] a Huffington Post article he wrote just after he got back from Syria earlier this year: ĎSyrians do not need our meagre handouts to defend their lives from the bullets, bombs and chemical weapons used on them by their evil dictator. They either need a political solution championed by the international community or military solution to topple the brutal regimeí
Spot the contradictionÖI suppose the only Ďsolutioní for Ajmal is Western military solutions, or aid (according to whatever is the current mood/benefit in the Westís foreign policy game) Ė but not an indigenous and Muslim based military solutionÖ
Ajmal also put his spin on the Ďradical vs moderateí [false] dichotomy, and urged Muslims to be Ďmoderateí and avoid Ďextreme politicsí [sic].
I exposed the pathetic use of the term Ďextremismí by Western governments and media, as basically meaning any Muslim that believes and calls to a holistic Islam, but it was what I said next that cause Ajmal to react very strongly.
Ajmal during the debate made repeated claims about how Muslims need to tackle Ďextremismí, and then he engaged in shamelessly milking how he got Ďdeath threatsí from Al Shabaab terrorists [he kept re-iterating it again and again].
Weíve all been told recently, in the media (1,2,3), that a number of Muslim speakers who condemned the Woolwich attacks have received death threats from an ĎAl Shabaab videoí publication. Apparently, in response to the video, the police went to the houses of these individuals and Ďwarnedí them of these threats, and gave them a special number to call. One of the individuals was Ajmal Masroor. Of course, some of these speakers have been milking this attention for all its worth, and adopted a Ďbraveí and ífearlessí public persona, and have publicly accepted sympathy messages from members of the Muslim and non-Muslim community.
However, the strange thing is, when I saw the video, I SAW NO DEATH THREATS made, or even implied! I checked a number of times Ė in disbelief! Surely the media, the police and the government couldnít be trumping up these claims?!
But alas, all I saw was a number of clips of Ajmal, along with many other speakers who denounced the Woolwich attack, with the narrator implying that these Muslims had Ďsold-outí, but there was not a jot about urging people to kill them.
Check the video for yourself, its around the 17 min mark [see it before it is taken down!]
I then put this to Ajmal at the event, that I didnít see any death threats on that video towards him at all. Suffice to say, he was quite flustered, but then strangely claimed on the spot, that the threat wasnít in the video, but that Al Shabaab had actually tweeted the threat!
Wow! The media, police and every public statement that Iím aware of, even those issued by the Ďthreatenedí Muslim speakers up to this point, made no mention of a Tweet threat that started this at all. I replied to Ajmal that I can only go by what the multiple reports Iíve read, say, and none mentioned Al Shabaab using twitter to make a threat that the Police responded to.
Of course, its rather strange that Ajmal Masroor suddenly claimed that the threat was on a twitter tweet, when HE himself said on his facebook page:
ĎAs soon as they [the Police] left my house I started digging further and found an Al-Shabab video has been uploaded on the Internet and in it they name me as a Muslim who is an enemy of Islam and should be eliminated. They name a few others in their video message and encourage people to resort to using knives to behead people like me. I spend some time today to verify the threat and it was confirmed to me that it was this video that had spurred our security services to actioní
[Facebook post: October 17 - 20:45] - or in case it gets ímysteriouslyí edited or taken down, you can read the dailymailís screen shot.
Iím thinking of a phrase to describe this, and it ends with Ďpants on fireí. When the video of the ĎQuestion Timeí discussion/debate comes out, youíll see him say that the threat was on twitter. And if for some reason that part of the video is mysteriously edited, Iíve recorded the audio of the full debate Ė for just such contingencies.
Ajmalís story aside, this leaves us asking ourselves a question: If the Police and Media made a hoo-haa about the Ďthreatenedí speakers Ajmal Masroor, Mohammed Ansar, Usama Hasan and Mohammed Shafiq, why didnít they also turn up to the house of Hamza Tzortzis, who was also featured on the Al Shabaab video, for virtually the same amount of time as Mohammed Ansar [alongside him even!]?
Hamza Tzortzis and Mohammed Ansar were depicted side by side in the Al-Shabaab video. Why does one get Police protection, and was described by the media (Dailymail) as having been Ďsingled outí, yet not the other? Is it something to do with the fact that Hamza is unjustly considered an Ďextremistí by the media due his Ďdaringí to present Islam as a holistic way of life? Why didnít the Police come to his house and warn him as well?
Why do the media and the police (and presumably government) want people to sympathise with particular Muslim public personalities, and not others? Why say that they were threatened, when the video clearly didnít threaten them? Was this a case of capitalising on terrorism for a publicity stunt?
For information, I too was publicly quoted on a number of media outlets (1,2,3), as condemning those participated in the Woolwich attack. And I have also condemned the Al Shabaab attack on civilians in Kenya, and condemned the use of Terrorism in general - but for some reason, I wonít be expecting an Al Shabaab affiliate to accost me on the street with sharp and pointy things.
The government wants to promote the named particular speakers in both the Muslim and non-Muslim communities, but why not Hamza Tzortzis and the other speakers mentioned in the video?
The answer can surely be found in what the Ďthreatenedí speakers Mohammed Shafiq, Usama Hasan, Mohammed Ansar and Ajmal Masroor do, and what does Hamza Tzortzis and others do/donít do, which merited the police, media and government selectively Ďprotectingí [i.e. promoting] one, and not the other.
I could speculate as to why, but this time round dear readers, Iíll leave it up to you.Above was written by a Layperson
ďAllah will not show compassion to the one that does not show compassion to the people.Ē [Muslim]
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