Usama Hasan: The Archbishop of the Mosque of England?

[Abuz Zubair]

Of course, I am not referring to the Salafis in Pak or elsewhere... I am from the UK and the crowd I am speaking to know very well that they are being addressed.

[Abuz Zubair]

Extremist brothers, take heed. Otherwise, this could be you in five years time.

[Shaghuri]

Bro Abu Zubair, do you consider Usama a former extremist or are you just speaking in general terms?

How ironic that the translator of al-Albani's 'Prophet's Prayer Described' is now saying some of this stuff.

[Umm]

Usama Hasan was never an extremist anyway.

Usamah Hasan was crying in the Eid khutbah one year, mentioning a brother who had "sacrificed his life" for the sake of Allah. No doubt such brothers and the struggle they fought for, and continue to fight for, are to be denounced now.

Sheikh Suhaib, he is a good man, but he doesn't have any control in that family.

[Umm]

Radicals vs. moderates: British Muslims at crossroads

[Umm-Maryam]

Usama Hasan was never an extremist anyway.

Usamah Hasan was crying in the Eid khutbah one year, mentioning a brother who had "sacrificed his life" for the sake of Allah. No doubt such brothers and the struggle they fought for, and continue to fight for, are to be denounced now.

Sheikh Suhaib, he is a good man, but he doesn't have any control in that family.

Is this the same Shaykh Suhaib Hasan who wrote a forward note for Hamza Yusufs transalation on the creed of imaam al- tahawi book and refers HY as 'the esteemed shaykh'??!?

[Umm Ahmed]

Everyone is changing , May Allaah keep us steadfast ameen.

[Abuz Zubair]

Ask those who were involved in the Salafi fitna about the extremism of all of these people. These brothers were instrumental in causing fitna against JIMAS when Abu Muntasir broke away. Most of these things are kept hush hush. All of these Salafi figureheads historically have been at each others throats but hardly any of the details ever surface for the common people to see what's happening. These guys weren't Jihadi extremists. They don't have that spirit to be so. They were all madkhali extremists causing fitna.

The point isn't about this extremism or that. The point is about extremism itself. Some people, unfortunately, can never find balance. When they are Salafis, they are the most extreme type. When they are modernist, they become almost liberal progressive.

It would be stupid for the common person to see that they are STILL undergoing evolution, and yet still trust them with respect to their deen.

[hearandobey]

assalam alaykum,

abuz zubair i asked you this in my previous thread, i hope you don't mind me quoting it here, as it is relevant to this whole topic of modernism:

jazak Allah khayran abuz zubair.

with regards to what you said about inviting some of the asharis for example to sunni conferences in front of the laymen mass etc., then what do we do when MOST of the "salafi" figureheads of the west are doing exactly this? subhanallah this all seems to be quite a RECENT phenomena. i'm not trying to make a blanket statement inshallah about all the da'ees and scholars here, but i was honestly surprised to see that even yasir qadhi attended. it's really confusing because then you just don't know where to stand, these are the people you hear refuting these aqa'id etc. then the next day they stand next to them, smiling with them, taking photos etc. subhanallah, you then start thinking am i being extreme thinking that asharis aren't sunnis?! then later you start ACCEPTING them as sunnis, i just feel that this is the agenda behind everything. i see asharis quite strict and firm about what they believe in, i don't think they'd ever want to be thinking that the "wahhabi anthropomorphists" could one day be within the fold of their definition of "ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah" yet the salafis are doing exactly that with regards to them - can i ask, what is your advice on how to deal with all this when our du'aat and scholars of the west are going through this weakness and we, the laymen, are going through more confusion, even about our "salafi/sunni" identity?!

[Daniel]

This is really sad, indeed. We are truely in those times when clinging to the Qur'an and Sunnah is like holding a hot coal and this is just more evidence of that. The other sad thing is when one makes Tariq Ramadan look like a hardliner.