Usama Hassan: On Apostacy.

[Ma al-'Aynayn]

The predominant modern Muslim view no longer regards apostasy as a crime, based on the above-mentioned interpretation of the Prophet’s teaching and upon the injunction, “Let there be no compulsion in religion,” (Koran, 2:256) and affirms the freedom of religious belief. This is the view of many leading experts and authorities in Islamic law throughout the world.

LINK: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/o...ma_hassan.html


Ahle hadith becoming modern, eh? Lol. Allahul musta'an.

[Abu Ilyas]

You have to be careful when taking things from Western media sources, you don't know how they may have edited his responses.

[Abuz Zubair]

Do not be surprised, Abu Ilyas. Western sources do not always lie.

[Abu Ilyas]

Do not be surprised, Abu Ilyas. Western sources do not always lie.

Nothing surprises me anymore. But Insha'allah I hope he has been edited or he has an excuse.

[Abuz Zubair]

No edition and no excuse, bro... this is just the tip of the iceberg, unfortunately. I say this in an open platform, since his views have been aired in an open platform.

Winds have changed.

[Ma al-'Aynayn]

Winds have changed.

Any thoughts on how the winds could be steered the other way? Taking into consideration the fact that they are airing such 'opinions' as 'mainstream' opinions?

[Abuz Zubair]

Any thoughts on how the winds could be steered the other way? Taking into consideration the fact that they are airing such 'opinions' as 'mainstream' opinions?

Liberation is the answer.

Liberation of our minds from ideological colonialism. The entire spirit of modernism was born during the era of colonialism where certain Muslim thinkers looked up to their European master and his civilisation and used it as a yardstick to judge how far of the mark Islamic Sharia is. They then felt a desperate need to to perform the balancing act between Western democratic values and Islamic Sharia, and to that end, they began to question certain laws based on explicit texts and consensus, simply because the master thought they were barbaric. From this arose the need to justify all Islamic laws rationally, but not ANY type of rationality; the European type of rationality. And any law that could not be rationally justified to please the European master was struck off the modern scheme of Islamic Sharia.

Apostasy was at first compared to treason, since that was considered a Western equivalent to our law. But then it was argued that treason was conditional to the protection given to an individual by a state, and since today Muslims are stateless, not only that there isn't a punishment for apostasy, but it isn't even a crime!

No stoning to death for adultery so there is no verse in the Quran endorsing it.

Usury was only outlawed to prevent oppression, and since interest earned by depositing money in the bank isn't oppression, it should be allowed.

Cutting the hands of the thief is barbaric, and hence, the need to reinterpret the Quranic text concerning 'cutting', some suggesting that it was only a symbolic cut and not a literal one. Others, like Tariq Ramadan and his followers from the 'Salafi' leaders argue that our modern society isn't fit to have such measures in place. Such punishments, they argue, are only allowed in a utopian era where stealing isn't widespread at all, and therefore, isn't a major problem, anyway.

Obviously, there is no concept of Muslims and Ahl al-Dhimma, since they are all citizens, and therefore no need to take jizya from Ahl al-Dhimma. Yet, they would still argue that Zakah should still be collected from the Muslims by the authority!

The current apostasy debate is just an attempt to follow our master into the lizard's hole, just like the rest of the concerns in the heart of a modernist.

We need to free our minds of this slavery and look at the world from Islamic goggles, rather than the goggles we were given by our masters. Long gone are the colonial days.

[WM]

"The predominant modern Muslim view no longer regards apostasy as a crime, based on the above-mentioned interpretation of the Prophet’s teaching and upon the injunction, “Let there be no compulsion in religion,” (Koran, 2:256) and affirms the freedom of religious belief. This is the view of many leading experts and authorities in Islamic law throughout the world."


What a barrel of goat. This lack of integrity makes me goat.

And, it seems, people have no need for integrity- why possess it when it only undermines your popularity? The most contemptible scholars are those who pander to popular opinion. The thing is, with popularity- it's easy to obtain. Just tell the 'goat-uous' masses exactly what they want to hear, and you'll have them eating out of your hand. That is, for about five minutes, until those fickle goats demand you bend over backwards to please them even more.

That's why it's better to live as a misanthrope- hating pretty much everyone, including yourself. That way you won't be tempted to do anything goat-like.

[Abuz Zubair]

I didn't know that was what it meant!
I thought it had something to do with mud

Great... I knew something in English that you didn't... I am not too bad, after all!

[Abuz Zubair]

Yes, the pun that was never intended!