Why jews are always to blame?

[morbius]

I have certain principles and an Idea to which I strive, regardless of how unattainable that Idea may appear right now. How many times throughout history have the efforts of a few dedicated individuals accomplished great things? There is great comfort in knowing you struggle for a higher cause and stick to principles, in this age where material comforts serve as the foundations of people's lives and can buy their silence and apathy

I too believe in certain principles, why else do you think I spend my precious time teaching religious tolerance on the Internet?
However, I try to use a cold analytical mind when it comes to these things, always trying to separate what can be done from what can’t be done. Your desire to serve a great cause is commendable, but it is partly clouding your judgment.
Always remember that road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In your desire to do good, you might actually create a monster. If you do a little research, you will se that my username on this forum is a warning against exactly this.

I do not struggle for the best society, but I struggle for the best society possible under the circumstances. I think that we already have such society in Europe, but we must continue to improve it.

But we, who struggle for an Islamic revival, concentrate on the roots. We recognize the important of cultivating a proper Islamic attitude and ethos before power is attained in the Muslim countries. The da'wah and tarbiyah (education) is nearly as important as Jihad in remedying the situation of the Muslim countries.

When I was a child in a communist country they tried very hard to teach us benefits of unity, sharing, common property over means of production, etc. Government believed that by proper education of new generations it can suppress man’s natural selfishness and create a new world of brotherhood and equality.
Needless to say, their efforts failed. Not because they didn’t try hard enough, but because of practical limitations. A man is simply not a bee or an ant to put interest of a community over his own.
So, do not put too much faith that proper education can change human nature.

When the proper Islamic ethos held sway over the lands, there was complete peace and no dispute in leadership. I refer specifically to the first four caliphs, during which there were no usurpation of power, because the vast majority of the community accepted them as the leaders. We Muslims who call for a return to Qur'an and Sunnah, seek to remedy the situation at the grassroots and intellectual level.

First usurpation happened after Muhamed’s death, causing suni-shia schism, correct? Usurpations and divisions continued after that, casting a long shadow over “perfection” of “divine state”. Your perfect system is fundamentally flawed and has more holes than Swiss cheese which allow for all sorts of abuse.

An Islamic state would make sure there is no monopoly like the corporate control of the mass media here in the West. There is nothing in Islam to oppose the idea of removing the leader once he acts in such a manner.
It is my understanding that the community would decide the members of the Shura. The community has to agree upon such leaders and fully give them the bay'ah.

Public support is very easy to get once you get control over the media and every government tries to control the media to greater or smaller extent. And again, public influenced by media decides members of Shura. Dictators always try to control media before anything else.
Remember, Hitler was fairly elected, Mussolini too. But once they got control of the media and consolidated their power, they started to slowly eliminate democratic institutions one at a time. In the end, there was no way to peacefully end their rule.
We in Serbia actually elected our dictator by our own free will because he promised us economic progress, modernization and end of communist practices. Instead he stole from his people and gave us wars and poverty. We couldn’t remove him later, because he had control over media, police and army, and he cheated on the elections. It is actually very hard to spot a rotten apple. About third of population never did, staying loyal to the dictator until he died.

You must also understand one fundamental principle – power corrupts. The greater the power, the greater the corruption.
We do not allow our presidents to have more than two mandates because we know that power would corrupt them over time. And you are actually asking for society that places almost absolute power in the hands of just one man for his entire life.

Likewise, the claim about interest is merely the result of decades of propaganda. The only reason it would not work now is due to the reliance the world economy has on usury. There are certain groups of people who have instituted this system for their own benefit.

In order to be able to discuss Islamic economy with you, I would need to research these matters more and I simply do not have time for something like that. From the little I know, I can see that traditional Islamic economy has serious shortcomings, but this should be explained to you by someone who understands these things better than me.

[gag order]

umm lina is concerned about how muslims supposedly view the jews but is not concerned in the least how muslims are demonised by jewish movie bosses.

planet of the arab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi1ZNEjEarw

[Yousef al Khattab]

Asalam Aleikoum wR wB

Dear brothers and sisters, it is as clear as day and night that the Jews are the enemy of mankind and even the environment. I have read this thread, and the Jew has been provided with more than ample proofs and evidences, but why waste time? It is crystal clear that the Jews (may Allah swt destroy them) run the media,banking,USA foreign policy,and the porn industry etc. etc.
Brothers and sisters rather than being kept 'busy' refuting this bacteria we should focus on ridding Judaism from this earth. To quote a brother that the USA government issued a postage stamp in his memory, "by any means necessary".
The Jew on this forum mentioned the Nazis in one of 'it's' posts, I felt it only fair to post Joseph Gobbele's essay that has ALOT of truth in it though not all truth. The essay is called The Jew and it was written in 1929 interesting how true it is to this day and time!

The Jew

by Joseph Goebbels



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Everything is discussed openly in Germany, and every German claims the right to have an opinion on any and all questions. One is Catholic, the other Protestant, one an employee, the other an employer, a capitalist, a socialist, a democrat, an aristocrat. There is nothing dishonorable about choosing one side or the other of a question. Discussions happen in public, and where matters are unclear or confused one settles it by argument and counter argument. But there is one problem that is not discussed publicly, one that it is delicate even to mention: the Jewish question. It is taboo in our republic.

The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

One cannot defend himself against the Jew. He attacks with lightning speed from his position of safety and uses his abilities to crush any attempt at defense.

Quickly he turns the attacker's charges back on him, and the attacker becomes the liar, the troublemaker, the terrorist. Nothing could be more mistaken than to defend oneself. That is just what the Jew wants. He can invent a new lie every day for the enemy to respond to, and the result is that the enemy spends so much time defending himself that he has no time to do what the Jew really fears: to attack. The accused has become the accuser, and loudly he shoves the accuser into the dock. So it always was in the past when a person or a movement fought the Jew. That is what would happen to us as well were we not fully aware of his nature, and if we lacked the courage to draw the following radical conclusions:

1. One cannot fight the Jew by positive means. He is a negative, and this negative must be erased from the German system, or he will forever corrupt it.

2. One cannot discuss the Jewish question with the Jews. One can hardly prove to a person that one has the duty to render him harmless.

3. One cannot allow the Jew the same means one would give an honest opponent, for he is no honorable opponent. He will use generosity and nobility only to trap his enemy.

4. The Jew has nothing to say about German questions. He is a foreigner, an alien, who only enjoys the rights of a guest, rights that he always abuses.

5. The so-called religious morality of the Jews is no morality at all, rather an encouragement to betrayal. Therefore, they have no claim to protection from the state.

6. The Jew is not smarter than we are, rather only cleverer and craftier. His system cannot be defeated economically — he follows entirely different moral principles than we do. It can only be broken through political means.

7. A Jew cannot insult a German. Jewish slanders are but badges of honor for a German opponent of the Jews.

8. The more a German person or a German movement opposes the Jew, the more valuable it is. If someone is attacked by the Jews, that is a sure sign of his virtue. He who is not persecuted by the Jews, or who is praised by them, is useless and dangerous.

9. The Jew evaluates German questions from the Jewish standpoint. As a result, the opposite of what he says must be true.

10. One must either affirm or reject anti-Semitism. He who defends the Jews harms his own people. One can only be a Jewish lackey or a Jewish opponent. Opposing the Jews is a matter of personal hygiene.
These principles give the anti-Jewish movement a chance of success. Only such a movement will be taken seriously by the Jews, only such a movement will be feared by them.

The fact that he shouts and complains about such a movement therefore is only a sign that it is right. We are therefore delighted that we are constantly attacked in the Jewish gazettes. They may shout about terror. We answer with Mussolini's familiar words: "Terror? Never! It is social hygiene. We take these individuals out of circulation just as a doctor does to a bacterium.

Brothers and sisters, I am not a Neo Nazi in fact I am a former Jew,but I urge you to rush forth in Allah's service in any and all ways legal :wink: to eliminate the teachings of Judaism aka The Jewish People.

Hayakoum Allah,
Akhoukoum fIllah Yousef al-Khattab
http://www.hakamia.notlong.com

[Abdullah al-Shishani]

Asalam Aleikoum wR wB [/url]

Rice ripped for avoiding terrorist label on Hamas

US secretary of state used 'resistance movement'; Jewish group wants apology, amends to victims

Aaron Klein, WND
Published: 02.05.07, 15:13

A US Jewish group on Monday demanded US Secretary of State Condaleeza Rice immediately retract remarks she made during a press conference in Europe two weeks ago in which she called Hamas a "resistance movement."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...361187,00.html

[Abdullah al-Shishani]

Germany jails Holocaust denier for 5 years
15 Feb 2007 11:35:35 GMT
Source: Reuters

MANNHEIM, Germany, Feb 15 (Reuters) - A German court sentenced a prominent Holocaust denier extradited from Canada to five years in prison on Thursday for inciting racial hatred and denying the Nazis killed six million Jews.

Ernst Zuendel, publisher of works such as "Did six million really die?", was handed the maximum sentence under German law for Holocaust denial.

Zuendel, 67, has been in custody in Germany since March 2005 after being deported from Canada. The court would not release him on bail because of the danger he would flee.

In his closing statement Zuendel said the court should set up an international commission of experts to examine the Holocaust. If the commission confirmed the gassing of Jews, he told the court he would convene a press conference to apologise to Jews and other victims.


http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L14590800.htm

[Abuz Zubair]

Five years for a stupid belief?

Wasn't Europe supposed to have come out of the dark ages?

[Logic lover]

Love of Zionism has made Europe act like mad cows.

Was Hitlar not a top member of a secret Zionist society, of which George Bush is a member too? It is like a double-edged sword.

[gag order]

hitler belonged to the thule society spiritual descendents of the teutonic knights of the crusades whilst bush identifies with the freemasons the spiritual descendants of the knights templar of the crusades.

both ideologies are diametrically opposed, insomuch they went to war over it! (second world war)

we have been told that the kuffar are one body despite the fact that they appear to be bitterly opposed. both groups competed to out do each other in usurping muslim lands during the crusades

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the zionists wanted the jews across europe to relocate to palestine to usher in the coming of the messiah but the jews at the time believing that they were a people of exile refused to budge and expected the messiah to appear first before any migration. the rise of national socialism appeared to be the answer to stubborn jews but what they had not forseen was that the nazis had no intention of relocating the jews but instead seized their assets and used them as slave labour.

[Suhaib Jobst]

As Salaam Alaykum,

You made some interesting points. Hitler had occult roots in the Thule Society and other groups, while Roosevelt was a 33rd Degree Freemason. There is evidence they were locked in a bitter rivalry, in the midst of the war, to find various occult relics. These included the infamous "Holy Grail" and the "Spear of Destiny".

The latter relic was a spear which, the occultists believed, was used by the German Roman centurion Longinus to pierce the side of Jesus (alaihi sallam) during his "crucifixion". This spear was said to have played a magical role in the careers of Charlemagne, Otto der Grosse, and Friedrich Barbarossa.

Both relics were largely symbolic and they are important not for any basis in reality, but for the influence they possessed as symbols. Some researchers who believe this part of the story point out Czechoslovakia was heavily defended and was the site of bloody fighting, even more so than Germany proper.

Why did the SS defend this land more zealously than it had Germany and why were the Allied forces so eager to occupy Czechoslovakia? There are some who say there were occult relics being held in Prague. Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala) knows best.

Now we come to the fundamental difference between the two. You are right to point out their respective origins in the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights. The former were influenced heavily by the Cabbala, and the Jewish origins and direction of Freemasonry is well known.

The latter, on the other hand, was entirely pagan or heretical according to contemporary Christian standards. In this regard, some have traced them back to the Cathars and the Albigensians, although the proof here is sketchy at best.

During Medieval times, the Knights Templar went on Crusades in Palestine, while the Order of Teutonic Knights preferred to expand the borders of the German states eastwards, toward the Baltic and Slavic lands. They were not attracted to Palestine, since they were more pagan than Christian in origin.

So we may say that the Freemasonry which has dominated the Western countries for the last few centuries, promoted ideas taken from the Cabbala and Talmud, was borne from an Anglo-American-Jewish cultural heritage, and spawned concepts of the Enlightenment, such as capitalism and liberal democracy, which have far more in common with Jewish culture than the traditional European ethos.

Their bitter rivals in the occultic underground were the German secret societies, which had more in common with a traditional Germanic ethos than Christianity, which it regarded as the twin of Judaism. The German philosophers of Romanticism opposed Western values such as individualism and preferred the idea of the Folk and a strong leader.

This really goes back to the struggle within European society, over those who represent the materialist-consumerist ethos of the Jewish-Anglo-Protestant tradition, and those who favor an organic, national and socialist conception of the Folk-Community.

The latter uphold the primacy of the Gemeinschaft (Community), with firm cultural, linguistic, and spiritual foundations. Their conception of the community has many things in common with our own view of the Umma. On the other hand, the former have a materialist conception of both human beings and societies.

The modern National-States are essentially nothing but political entities, based on abstract concepts. A fundamental distinction should be made here, since it demonstrates the unbridgeable gulf between our noble Islamic ethos and the abstract materialist and consumerist societies of the modern West, with its shallow view of the economic man.

If I may elaborate on your point, many of these German thinkers, with their view of the organic Völkisch state, opposed the Crusades for many of their own reasons. Here are some interesting comments Adolf Hitler made on the subject:

"The notorious insanity of the Crusades bled the German people of six million men. Finally the Hohenstaufen, Frederick II, succeeded through mere negotiation, without striking a blow, in securing the Holy Land for Christendom. What did the curia do? Full of hatred, they hurled the ban of excommunication on Frederick and refused to recognize his treaty with the sultan, thus neutralizing his great success. It seems that, to those pulling the strings, the incidental bloodletting was more important than the avowed objective of the Crusades.

"At last came the Children's Crusade. Tens of thousands of children sent against the victorious Turkish army, all to be destroyed. I can't believe that the idea for that absurdity really originated in a non-Jewish mind. I am always reminded of the murder of the children of Bethlehem and the slaughter of the Egyptian firstborn. I would give anything for a photograph of the priest who preached that Crusade, and his flunkeys." (Dietrich Eckart, Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin, pp. 46-47).

Although we rightly reject many aspects of his ideology, Hitler made a number of excellent statements on Islam and the Muslims. Read and determine who are the real liars - Hitler or the Zionists and Capitalists, who have used the Holocaust propaganda myth to justify their theft of Palestine and continued extortion of European governments.

They opposed him not because he was trying to "take over the world" (who actually dominates the world?), but rather since he threatened the usury finance-capitalism and International Banking system they had forced upon Europe:

http://forum.europeans.ws/europeans/...topic.php?p=98

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Suhaib, you remind me alot of myself. Have you ever read "Decline of the West" by Oswald Spengler or "Das Dritte Reich" by Arthur Moeller Van Den Bruck?