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This is a discussion on Yasir Qadhi thinks you are a "testosterone-filled teenage cheerleader"! within the Politics, Jihad and Current Affairs forums, part of the Main Topics category; Originally Posted by Shade of Swords The point that I am stressing here is that a more nuanced and pragmatic ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade of Swords View Post
    The point that I am stressing here is that a more nuanced and pragmatic reading of the Quran can also just as easily be done – but it takes more wisdom, foresight and moral courage than many of these testosterone-filled youth are willing to undertake (and for the record, I firmly believe that one of the best ways to de-radicalize these young men is to help them get married early and encourage them to have kids, and I mean this in all seriousness).
    This is the same tactic used in the Deradicalization Programs over in "The Kingdom" to entice brothers with the dunya. Not that getting married and having kids is a bad thing, but it is used specifically to divert the brothers away from striving in the Cause of Allah.

    Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people." 9:24

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    Too long; did not read. MunafiqMatters can die in a fire.










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    Quote Originally Posted by abusayfullaah View Post
    MashaAllaah he is bringing his nifaaq beautifully out in the open, away with the in-the-closet munafiqeen of yesterday - Today is Munafiq Pride - all out in the open.
    Totally agree with you brother. The hypocrite is not exposed except through a slip of the tongue through which he reveals that which is in his breast. Meanwhile, there are those hypocrites who DONT EVEN KNOW that they are hypocrites. Yasir "Donkey" Qadhi is not in this latter category but in this category:



    May the Curse of Allah be on him and his twisted munafiq ilk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shade of Swords View Post
    The point that I am stressing here is that a more nuanced and pragmatic reading of the Quran can also just as easily be done – but it takes more wisdom, foresight and moral courage than many of these testosterone-filled youth are willing to undertake (and for the record, I firmly believe that one of the best ways to de-radicalize these young men is to help them get married early and encourage them to have kids, and I mean this in all seriousness).
    Thanks for the advice Yasir! This is the same tactic used in the Deradicalization Programs over in "The Kingdom" to entice brothers with the dunya. Not that getting married and having kids is a bad thing, but it is used specifically in an attempt to divert brothers away from striving in the Cause of Allah. Think about it, upon graduation you have a new car, a new job, a new wife (if you were not already married) and a bundle of cash; everything you need to "settle down" and become a "normal member of society." Essentially they're told, "you can't defend the weak and oppressed Muslims because the King hasn't given you permission to do so, so why don't you just stop caring about the condition of the Ummah and start focusing on satisfying your own desires." They even admit the three primary tools used to "deradicalize" brothers are, “force, money, and (false) ideology.”

    Just remember,

    Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than (1) Allah and (2) His Messenger and (3) Jihad in His Cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people." 9:24

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    Quote Originally Posted by call2tawheed View Post
    This is the same tactic used in the Deradicalization Programs over in "The Kingdom" to entice brothers with the dunya. Not that getting married and having kids is a bad thing, but it is used specifically to divert the brothers away from striving in the Cause of Allah.

    Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people." 9:24
    So much for YQ and his opposition to black and white generalizations!

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    Interesting that Rasullah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã said about the Khawarij that they would be young in age and immature in thought. And those who kill them would get a reward with Allah on the Day of Judgment (imagine how much reward the Army of Saudi Arabia is getting for their operation in Yemen)

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    I wanted to share a brother's very well-written and respectful reply to Yasir Qadhi. We'll see if Mr. Qadhi can answer any of the questions that are brought up.


    "As-Salamu'alaikum:

    Sheikh Yasir Qadhi's article is very well articulated, however, it creates more questions than answers. What is very positive about the article is that he eloquently describes how many Muslims feel today, showing that at least for the record, he is "in the loop", and is aware of what is happening to Muslims here, and abroad. No one can honestly accuse him of being oblivious about the state of affairs for Muslims. However, the problem that Sheikh Yasir faces is that there is a clear conflict of interest at hand. Yasir Qadhi is a U.S. born, American citizen, living in the US, and completing his Ph.D. at Yale. The fact of the matter is, there is only so much he can criticize the US. Sheikh Yasir may not be able to openly admit this, but we Muslims here nonetheless have to recognize this obvious fact, and therefore must take anything Sheikh Yasir says about the type of legitimate Islamic response that the Muslims should have towards the blatant injustice the Ummah is facing, with more than just a grain of salt. We Muslims must understand, that regardless of what age we live in, the fitnah of the taghoot is enormous, as ALLAH shows us in the Qur'an with the example of Fir'aun. This was also witnessed at the time of Imam Ahmad, when he was tortured by the Khalifah (not the President/Prime Minister/Czar/Emperor/Chancellor, but the Khalifah) of his time over the issue of the Divine nature of the Qur'an. While many scholars existed at his time, Imam Ahmad was in the extreme minority who spoke out, unapologetically, unequivocally, for the truth. If this is the fitnah of the rulers from amongst the Muslims, then what of the ones from the kuffar? To put it in layman terms, it's easy to criticize the Boston Red Sox when one is in Yankee Stadium. To criticize the Boston Red Sox when one is at Fenway Park is another matter.

    When Sheikh Yasir says:

    "..these Western scholars, no matter how popular among the masses, are nothing more than sell-outs: government-appeasing servile acquiescing cowards who are more concerned about their own safety and popularity than the safety and comfort of their persecuted brothers and sisters around the world. "


    What he needs to understand is that these "Western scholars" have none to blame but themselves for this perception. Take just recently in the month of Ramadan, when the tragic flood hit the Muslim country of Pakistan causing much catastrophe to our brothers and sisters with respect to their homes, and their lives, to which many organizations around the world pointed out that the global response (especially those of the Muslim nations) was luke warm at best, many Western Imams went to Auschwitz recognizing the tragedy of the holocaust, an historic event that is well over 60 years old which Muslims played no role in whatsoever in, and has been exploited by the enemies of Islam to persecute our Brothers and Sisters in Palestine:

    Imams join U.S. officials at Nazi sites - Laura Rozen - POLITICO.com

    If one argues that the events occurred simultaneously (give or take), and therefore the participants were unaware of the events in Pakistan at that time, did these very Imams, and leaders, ever issue a joint statement condemning the US crimes against the Muslims of Iraq, whether it is about the present war taking place right now, or with respect to the genocide of Muslim children that took place PRE-9/11 during the Clinton Administration?

    YouTube - Madeleine Albright - 60 Minutes

    Did they issue a joint statement condemning the atrocities committed by the US soldiers in Abu Ghraib/Bagram/Guantanamo Bay?

    Robert Fisk: The truth about 'honour' killings - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent

    These Imams are conspicuously silent. These blatant contradictions that Muslims see today simply cannot be ignored, and the actions of our leaders must be questioned. In the information age we live in, our Ummah is much more aware then they give us credit for. We are an Ummah that takes a middle ground, and does not go into extremes. If Sheikh Yasir is willing to engage a taghoot (whose army is directly responsible for killing, and raping Muslims, while plundering Muslim wealth, in an effort to further weaken the Ummah), as he himself did:

    To Blair or Not to Blair, That is The Question (Tony Blair, Yasir Qadhi & a Classroom in Yale) | MuslimMatters.org

    Then Sheikh Yasir should also find the moral courage to engage the very Muslim leaders whose qualifications he questions (just for the record, the credentials of Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki are quite comparable, if not superior to Sheikh Yasir's himself):

    A Question from a Reader on my Islamic Education : Anwar al Awlaki On-Line

    Sheikh Yasir had a golden opportunity when this exchange occurred between Sheikh Tawfique Choudhry and Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki only recently:

    http://muslimmatters.org/2009/02/09/...-of-terrorism/

    However, Sheikh Yasir avoided involvement. Interestingly enough, Sheikh Yasir, rather than speaking out against Sheikh Anwar, mildly critique's Sheikh Tawfique's position in one of the comments. Nothing against Sheikh Anwar.

    More over, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, not too long ago, had an open town hall meeting, where people were allowed to submit their questions online for him to answer. Why didn't Sheikh Yasir engage Ayman Al-Zawahiri with the issues he is raising here? The issue here is not whether you agree with either Anwar Al-Awlaki, or Ayman Al-Zawahiri, but simply extending the same courtesy to fellow Muslims that you would to the taghoot. If you truly are more knowledgeable than those who are engaged in fighting the kuffar on the front lines, then you as a person of knowledge have an obligation to teach these concepts (the concepts of jihad, wala wal-bara, establishment of khilafah, etc). You as a person of knowledge cannot simply criticize from the sidelines. Our brothers and sisters who are fighting, and defending themselves are indeed human, and will make mistakes. This is a fact. However, our duty first and foremost, is to make excuses for them, defend their honour, support them, and if possible, educate them. If our leaders lack the courage, and the fortitude to engage the enemy head on, then they have an obligation, and a moral duty to not belittle the efforts of those, that do have the courage and the fortitude. As the kuffar say in defending the actions of their barbaric, savage, minions, "support our troops", so should we. In addition, while Sheikh Yasir indeed has some exemplary credentials with respect to his Islamic education, we must also be aware that he neither has put his life at risk on any battlefield defending the Muslim lands nor to ensure that the banner of Islam is the highest, nor spent any time in prison at the hands of a tyrant like many great Islamic scholars, past and present. Of all people, Sheikh Yasir should understand this point, as he is a signatory to the Pledge of Mutual Respect and Cooperation:

    Update! Pledge of Mutual Respect and Cooperation | MuslimMatters.org

    The other problem that Sheikh Yasir, and other Imams/leaders of the west must understand is that while they repeatedly argue that it is haram to kill innocent civilians, women, and children in combat (a very strong, legitimate, fiqh opinion), they must understand that it is precisely that: an opinion. The rules of combat of today have significantly changed, and contrary to what Sheikh Yasir said above, some of the greatest Islamic scholars of our time have APPROVED the killing of innocent women, and children during these times:

    YouTube - Rulling on Jihad - Ibn Uthaymeen

    I by no means am defending the above opinion, but the fact remains that when a great scholar of our time makes such a strong, and explicit statement (a scholar whom Sheikh Yasir respects highly), then it is up to people like Sheikh Yasir to either acknowledge this opinion, or provide a scholarly refutation showing why such an opinion is flawed. The other problem that the Imams have on this subject, is that they not only are against killing innocent civilians, but they are also against the killing of soldiers as well (see Fort Hood). If a Muslim of german nationality, was in the Nazi army got up and shot several Nazi soldiers who were either preparing for battle, or returning from battle, such a Muslim would be viewed as a contemporary hero. Why is the Fort Hood incident any different? Is defending jewish lives a greater priority in Islam, then defending Muslim? The message that these Imams and scholars are giving is simply, regardless of whether the kuffar are killing, or raping you, or your families, you may not fight back, because it is haram. What is apparent by this, is that the allegiance of the scholars, and the Imams to the US, and it's army, is greater than it's allegiance to the Muslims in other parts of the world. Is this not what is apparent? What other, possible conclusion can be drawn from the above statements from our leaders? Where are the same statements condemning the killing of innocents by the US, and allied forces? Where are these video releases on youtube? Do the kuffar have carte blanche? This is also extremism.

    Moreover, it is also very condescending to dismiss legitimate grievances of Muslims around the world who feel the one responsible is "Amrika". If the implication of this argument of Sheikh Yasir is that we Muslims are being punished by ALLAH for our many, MANY sins, and neglect of our duties to ALLAH, then he is absolutely correct. That being said, this issue is something we should always be preoccupied with, whether at times of injustice or at ease. No Muslim can ever, ever be complacent about his/her duties to ALLAH. If one was to ask Abu Bakr, or Umar (May ALLAH be pleased with both of them), or any other Sahabi about the need for improvement in their efforts, they would be the first to acknowledge that they are falling short. So this should, by no means, be an excuse to allow us to ignore the responsibilities we have towards our brethren around the world. If one is simply dismissing the crimes committed by "Amrika" because they sincerely don't believe that this is a war on Islam, nor a clash of civilizations, then how do we reconcile this opinion, with these blatant statements by US politicians?

    "Terrorists' ultimate aim is to establish a caliphate (Khilafah) covering a region from Spain, across North Africa, through the Middle East and South Asia, all the way to Indonesia -and it wouldn't stop there," Sydney Morning Herald, US VP Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney 1428-2-24 H
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    " If we enhance the recruiting of this jihadist cause, there will be an attempt to re-establish the caliphate
    (Khilafah),… the caliphate (Khilafah) that twice has gone all the way across the Pyrenees, up to the gates of
    Vienna… I am concerned that it will be difficult for Europe to stand and that you will have a re-established
    caliphate (Khilafah) sitting on 58 percent of the world's oil." US Lieutenant General William G. Boyk at Manna
    Church for the graduation ceremony of Fayetteville Christian School in North Carolina US 1428-4-9 H
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    "They see Iraq as the center of a new caliphate (Khilafah), from which they can stir extremism and violence
    throughout the region" New York Times, US VP Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney 1428-4-25 H
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    "This caliphate (Khilafah) would be a totalitarian Islamic empire encompassing all current and former Muslim
    lands, stretching from Europe to North Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia… They hope to establish a
    violent political utopia across the Middle East, which they call caliphate (Khilafah), where all would be ruled
    according to their hateful ideology." George Walker Bush 1427-8-12 H
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    " Iraq's future will either embolden terrorists and expand their reach and ability to re-establish a caliphate
    (Khilafah), or it will deal them a crippling blow " New York Times reported about the statement of US
    Undersecretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman speaking at Council on Foreign Relations 1426-12-11 H
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    " They want to reestablish the Supreme Caliphate (Khilafah) . It's in every writing that you ever want to look at it…
    their goal is to start in Iraq, expand their Islamic caliphate (Khilafah) throughout the Middle East to Europe, and
    ultimately across the entire world. " US Lieutenant General Raymond T. Odierno, assistant to the chairman of the
    joint chiefs of staff given talk at American Enterprise Institute 1426-12-18 H
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    " They talk about wanting to re-establish what you could refer to as the seventh-century caliphate (Khilafah),…
    governed by Sharia law, the most rigid interpretation of the Koran." US VP Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney at
    Lake Elmo, Minnesota 1425-8-15 H
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    "Do you really want to live in… a Stone Age Islamic caliphate (Khilafah) with no rights, no economy and no
    future? I am confident the answer will be no." The Independent, James Philip Rubin, was assistant US secretary

    In order for Sheikh Yasir to credibly, and legitimately address these concerns, grievances, and actions of our youth today, he needs to answer the many questions raised above, and others. Our Imams and leaders need to be held accountable, and need to spend a lot of time in self-reflection, and self-criticism, as it is on their watch, that these events are occurring. To simply suggest that one way to end "radicalization" in our youth is to get them married, and have children, is extremely patronizing, as if to suggest that the primary reason for this "problem" is sexual frustration in our young men, or that marriage is a convenient distraction from the problems of the world today. Marriage definitely should be encouraged in our youth to avoid zina, and other haram activities. However, to use marriage as a solution to end the "radical" behaviour in our youth is just plain wrong. Many of the brothers who are engaged in fighting the enemy on the front lines today (and ironically, many of the Toronto18, and Faisal Shahzad), were or are married, and have children. In addition, the Prophet SAW in a beautiful hadith spoke on this matter, WARNING the Ummah about this:

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Children are the cause of grief, cowardice, ignorance and miserliness.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 24/241; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1990). When he said that they are the cause of miserliness, he meant that if a man wants to spend for the sake of Allaah, the Shaytaan reminds him of his children, so he thinks, “My children deserve the money, I will leave it for them when I die, so he is miserly in the sense that he refrains from spending it for the sake of Allaah. When he said that children are the cause of cowardliness, he meant that when a man wants to fight in jihaad for the sake of Allaah, the Shaytaan comes to him and says, “You will be killed and will die, and your children will become orphans, lost and alone,” so he stays home and does not go out for jihaad. When he said that children are the cause of ignorance, he meant that they distract a father from seeking knowledge and trying to acquire learning by attending gatherings and reading books. When he said that children are the cause of grief, he meant that when a child gets sick, the parent feels grief; if the child asks for something that the father cannot provide, this grieves the father; and if the child grows up and rebels against his father, this is a cause of ongoing grief and distress. (Weakness of Faith By Sheikh Saalih Al-Munajjid).

    To argue that marriage, and having children is a way for our youth to avoid "radical" behaviour is to indirectly echo the very attacks the kuffar have spewed against the concept of jihad and the rewards for the martyrs. A more legitimate solution to ending radical behaviour in our youth, would be to simply ban the use of TV, Internet, and newspapers. These are the primary media that our youth learn of the injustices, and atrocities that are happening to the Ummah, and to sensor the sources of this information would definitely be a way to prevent radical behaviour. This idea is not far fetched, as this tactic was employed in medieval times by the vatican to keep christians ignorant of their own scripture, and by adolf hitler through book burnings. Or, our scholars, and Imam's should stop teaching about brother/sisterhood altogether, and promote nationalism. This would also help curb radical behaviour, and make Muslims more endearing to the leaders of the world today. (sarcasm intended).

    We as Muslims must recognize that Sheikh Yasir is a person of knowledge. However, like great Muslim scholars of the past, he is still human, and therefore prone to error. Our emotions should never interfere with the validity of an Imam's opinion. Sheikh Yasir has made made many errors before, and will continue to do so. However, it is not up to him to decide when he is correct, and when he is not. Rather, it is the contemporary Imam's, scholars, and student's of knowledge to point this out. It is my du'a that Sheikh Yasir take the time to read this, and addresses these issues in either the comments section as a follow up to this post, or in his sequel to the above article. If he chooses to ignore these points, or if this post is removed by the moderators, then unfortunately, Sheikh Yasir will be guilty of the very thing they accuse the scholars, imams, and leaders of jihad today, and that is issuing empty rhetoric, in an attempt to pursue selfish, personal goals. If Sheikh Yasir is simply unable to answer these questions with answers that contain justice, and integrity, then he should simply refuse to comment at all on these matters, as the Prophet SAW said, "Let him who believes in Allah and the Last Day either speak good or keep silent..." (Bukhari)

    JazakAllah Khair.
    Was-Salamu'alaikum"
    Allah’s Apostle (PBUH) said,â€Know that Paradise lies under the shade of swords.â€
    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athariyyah View Post
    Interesting that Rasullah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã said about the Khawarij that they would be young in age and immature in thought. And those who kill them would get a reward with Allah on the Day of Judgment (imagine how much reward the Army of Saudi Arabia is getting for their operation in Yemen)
    I don't know if anyone told you this but in order for an army to get any reward for fighting they need to be a MUSLIM army and not an APOSTATE one which has left ISLAM by assisting THE KUFFAR against MUSLIMS. I sincerely recommend you study the eighth Nawaaqid as listed by Shaykh ul-Islam Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab (Rh).

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    Some very good points in this letter, but just a note:
    some of the greatest Islamic scholars of our time have APPROVED the killing of innocent women, and children during these times:

    YouTube - Rulling on Jihad - Ibn Uthaymeen
    This opinion of ibn Uthaymin is absolutely batil and in violation of the Ijma'.
    The Hawaalian Alliance
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    "One of the greatest distinctions of the Salaf was indicated by ibn al-Haaj when he said words to the effect, 'In the days of the Salaf, when the masses would introduce an innovation, the scholars would take it upon themselves to expose its falsehood. As for the scholars of the Khalaf, you will find that when someone from the masses, the rulers, or the wealthy introduce an innovation, the scholars would take it upon themselves to encourage it, defend it and justify it.'

    I say: he spoke most truthfully. If any of our rulers or wealthy people would like, then let him try to introduce some innovation, and then seek help from the scholars and the ascetics. He will find them rushing as fast as they can to encourage it and to distort the Book and Sunnah in order to beautify it, and to declare any who would rebut it a heretic or disbeliever, and perhaps the most pious of them is the one who takes it upon himself to remain silent. Truly, to Allah we belong and to Him we will return!" [Sh. Abd al-Rahman b. Yahya al-Mu'allimi, Kitab al-Ibadah (pp. 210-211)]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athariyyah View Post
    Interesting that Rasullah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã said about the Khawarij that they would be young in age and immature in thought. And those who kill them would get a reward with Allah on the Day of Judgment (imagine how much reward the Army of Saudi Arabia is getting for their operation in Yemen)
    Are you agreeing with Yasir Qadhi? What would your fellow doctors of manhaj say about this? Time to screencap and visit salafitalk.net....

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