Abu Bakr said ...

[Abou_Tourab]

assalam alaikoum

It is related in Sahih al Bukhari, Vol 3, p 179:

In the presence of the Prophet Abu Bakr said to 'Urwa b. Mas'ud: "Go lick the clitoris of al-'Ab"

Have you got some comentary please ?

[JayshAllah]

Errmmm...give the hadith number. Sahih Bukhari is all online, so just give the link as well.

[Abu_Abdallah]

It would be nice if you could give the Arabic.

I've never seen or read this, in Bukhari or elsehwere. I do know that sometimes Shi'ites come up with such passages, to incriminate people.

It seems - wa-Allahu A'lam - that it is like the Zihar-statement, i.e. comparing your wife with the 'back of your mother'. I believe there are more of such 'creative' sayings of the Arabs of the past - AND TODAY! - which are not so bad, as they may look like.

Abu Bakr's statement - if it is true - seems to be similar to the Zihar-statements, or the statement of another about 'hanging on the breasts of al-Uzza' and its likes.. just custom.

[Mu'awiya]

Asalaamu alaikum wr wb



wasn't it when the treaty of hudaibiya had to take place yet? And there was this guy who was saying evil to the Messenger of Allah [sal Allahu alaihi waSalam] - sayin stuff like you wont ever come back to Makkah again and all that.. then abu bakr got angry and swore at the guy, since the believers had so much gheerah [jealousy/love] for Allah's Messenger.

Urwa ibn Mas'ud al Thaqafi, chief of the tribe, was sent by the Qiraish to mediate. When he came before Rasulullah he said:


'O Muhammed , you have gathered together a horde of people of all countries and you have come to your place of birth to smash it with their assistance! Now the Quraish have sworn a most solemn oath, to the effect that never, so long as their eye-lashes quiver on their eye-lid shall you set foot again in Makkah, unless by force of arms, and by our gods! The scum surrounding you will flee from your side before the sun sets on another day'.


At these words a flame of indignation lit up the eyes of the Sahaba (R.A.) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (R.A.) went up to the infidel and shouted to him:


'Be gone, and bite the belly of Laat. your idol. Do you think for a moment we could abandon Allah's messenger'


During Urwa ibn Mas'uds conversation with Rasulullah he was able to observe how boundless was the respect of the Sahaba (R.A.) for their leader. When Rasulullah performed his wudhu (ablution) his companions rushed to share the water he had used. Whenever Rasulullah uttered a word everybody tries to fulfil his desire and commands. They speak to him in a soft voice. Out of sheer respect they would never look him straight in the eye.


On his return impressed with the civility of the Muslims and the nobleness of Rasulullah he declared to the Quraish:
'I have seen the Khusroe of Persia in the midst of his sumptuous Persian court; Caesar, in the proud senate of the Roman patricians (noble families); the Negus, at the head of his formidable bodyguard of Abyssinia warriors. Well then, I swear that I have never met with a monarch who surrounded by the noblemen of his court, held the same position as Muhammed among his companions. And what is more remarkable, contrary, to what takes place round about other leaders, Muhammed 's followers expect nothing from him; neither favour riches nor honours. This is what I have observed. I beseech you to give careful consideration to their request for a peaceful 'Umrah' and a safe return to Madinah.


Although the Quraish were deeply affected by his declaration, they persisted in their trickery and sent 50 of their warriors to prowl around the Muslim camp with the idea of suprising and capturing a few soldiers of Islam. The Muslims were on their guard and it was they who captured a certain number of infidels prisoners. They were subsequently released at the request of Rasulullah to show the Quraish their sincere intention of performing the 'Umrah' and returning home.


http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/Th...biyahL2P1.html

Later this urwa guy goes away and the Quraysh send Suhail ibn Amr who becomes muslim later on, but this is how the treaty takes place. wa Allahu a'lam. read the link above for more details.

[Expergefactionist]

Be gone, and bite the belly of Laat

Badhar refers to the clitoris and not the belly!

Here is something that might help:

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/S...Option=FatwaId

الحمد لله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه، أما بعـد:
فالحديث رواه البخاري وأحمد في مسنده عن المسور بن مخرمة ومروان بن الحكم قالا: ... فأتاه أي عروة بن مسعود ـ فجعل يكلم النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال النبي نحوا من قوله لبديل، فقال عروة عند ذلك: أي محمد أرأيت إن استأصلت أمر قومك هل سمعت بأحد من العرب اجتاح أهله قبلك، وإن تكن الأخرى فإني والله لأرى وجوها وإني لأرى أوشاباً من الناس خليقاً أن يفروا ويدعوك، فقال له أبو بكر: امصص ببظر اللات، أنحن نفر عنه وندعه... الحديث. قال الحافظ في الفتح: وكانت عادة العرب الشتم بذلك لكن بلفظ الأم، فأراد أبو بكر المبالغة في سب عروة بإقامة من كان يعبد مقام أمه، وحمله على ذلك ما أغضبه به من نسبة المسلمين إلى الفرار وفيه جواز النطق بما يستبشع من الألفاظ لإرادة زجر من بدا منه ما يستحق به ذلك. وقال ابن النمير في قول أبي بكر: تخسيس للعدو، وتكذيبهم، وتعريض بإلزامهم من قولهم إن اللات بنت الله ـ تعالى الله عن ذلك علواً كبيراً ـ بأنها لو كانت بنتا لكان لها ما يكون للإناث. اهـ. وقال الإمام ابن القيم في زاد المعاد: وفي قول الصديق لعروة (امصص بظر اللات) دليل على جواز التصريح باسم العورة إذا كان فيه مصلحة تقتضيها تلك الحال. اهـ. وقال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية: فمتى ظلم المخاطب لم نكن مأمورين أن نجيبه بالتي هي أحسن. اهـ. وعليه، فإن كان الموقف يستدعي التصريح بمثل هذا اللفظ إيثارا للمصلحة ودفعاً للمفسدة فلا حرج في ذلك، ولا تعارض بينه وبين نهي النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فيما رواه الترمذي وأحمد عن عبد الله بن مسعود قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ليس المؤمن بطعان ولا بلعان ولا الفاحش البذئ. بدليل قوله تعالى: {لاَّ يُحِبُّ اللّهُ الْجَهْرَ بِالسُّوَءِ مِنَ الْقَوْلِ إِلاَّ مَن ظُلِمَ وَكَانَ اللّهُ سَمِيعًا عَلِيمًا} (148) سورة النساء وأيضاً لو كان فيه مخالفة لنهاه النبي عن ذلك بل أقره وهو صلى الله عليه وسلم لا يقر على باطل. وراجع الفتوى رقم:55887.

[Expergefactionist]

And Umsus means to suck, not to lick or bite!

[Abu Ma'mar]

And Umsus means to suck, not to lick or bite!

aaah come on man there was no need for that one!! haha

[A.H]

I came across this hadith, mentioned in Tazkiyyat al-Nafs by Ibn al-Qayyim, Ibn Rajab al-Hanabli, and al-Ghazali,

Umar bin al Khattab walked in on Abu Bakr and found him pulling his tongue with his fingers. Umar said "Stop! Allah has forgiven you!". Abu Bakr said: "This tongue is what leads me into ruin".

It's not meant to be an explanation for the above post, but, just thought it was revelant.

[Abu Hafsa]

It is mentioned in Bukhari, Kitab as-Shurut, it is extremely long so I mention the number and narrators.

In it, it mentions, فقال له أبو بكر: امصص ببظر اللات،

2581/2582 - حدثني عبد الله بن محمد: حدثنا عبد الرزاق: أخبرنا معمر قال: أخبرني الزهري قال: أخبري عروة بن الزبير، عن المسور بن مخرمة ومروان، يصدق كل واحد منهما حديث صاحبه، قالا:

As well it is mentioned in Kitab as-Sayar for Ibn Hibaan, again the number and narrators mentioned below.

In which it is also mentioned, فقال أبو بكر الصديق رضوان الله عليه امصص ببظر اللات

[ 4872 ] أخبرنا محمد بن الحسن بن قتيبة قال حدثنا محمد بن المتوكل بن أبي السري قال حدثنا عبد الرزاق قال أخبرنا معمر عن الزهري قال أخبرني عروة بن الزبير عن المسور بن مخرمة ومروان بن الحكم يصدق كل واحد منهما حديثه حديث صاحبه قالا