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    Salam 'Alaykum,

    I am getting tired of living in the West, as it is hard to practice Islam here, and the temptations and possible fitnas are many.

    What are the best countries to live in from the point of view of someone who wants to obey all the laws of Allah? Is there any place where the Shariah is being established? If not, which place is closest to being governed according to the Shariah?

    Wa al-salam,

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    I'd be interesting in hearing others thoughts on this too.

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    May be a self established Muslim community somewhere far away from the others but I bet they won't taste the serenity feeling for a while because of the Air Strikes that will hit them at night since they're a bunch of terrorists who want to establish Shari'ah and they'd be considered as a threaten to the far far west National Security at the other Part of the globe.

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    Abu Bakr is right.

    But at least you would die free in the ultimate form of slavery.

    Shaheed, insha'Allah.

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    Akhi, if you can go to mecca and madina, don't hesitate! Since that is hard, I definitly reccomend egypt, many scholars and good brothers/sisters in egypt!
    You won't find any country that is running by shariah akhi, unless you want to go to jihad, but your thread said live so...

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    honestly id recommend any of the major gulf states you can say what you want about them but at least they are a muslim orientated society in the u.a.e and saudi for instance you can live life perfectly good as a muslim you wont find haraam things unless you look for it, in saudi halaal food is everywhere you wont find half naked women anywhere you wont find music anywhere nothing bad on tv mosques on every corner and the police enforce islamic values, politics aside if you want to keep your head down you live as a muslim you can in any of the big gulf states, especially if you were born in the west they have things that i need like fastfood, internet, nice clean roads and cities, nice housing, and security.

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    Salam 'Alaykum,

    I am getting tired of living in the West, as it is hard to practice Islam here, and the temptations and possible fitnas are many.

    What are the best countries to live in from the point of view of someone who wants to obey all the laws of Allah? Is there any place where the Shariah is being established? If not, which place is closest to being governed according to the Shariah?

    Wa al-salam,
    Wa 'alaikum salaam

    Brother, I have experience in this so I'll try and help insha' Allah.

    I'm from the UK, born and raised here and in the freed side of Jammu Kashmir. Part of my family back home is in the freed side and part in the unfreed. Only other Western country I'm well aware of and have relatives in are Spain and USA.

    I followed a similar aim since 6 years now. Travelled to Syria, Israel/Palestine, Egypt, Yemen, KSA, Pakistan and Afghanistan in pursuit. Here's some notes.

    * If you're established with family and friends in one location nowadays, trust me when I say that moving far away to a place where you have no intimate knowledge of, totally different customs and language, totally different mindset, neither any support nor friendship and no wealth in the form of property, is extremely tough. This is mainly when moving away from the Occidental nations. There is no such thing as Amir'ul Mu'mineen nowadays and with that go away the ease in moving around and practising deen, as well as safety. Your taqwa and imaan would have to be very high and your heart pure. You will face immense amounts of trials and severity. We in the West have been brought up with so much evil, filth and fitna as part 'n' parcel in every routine of our daily lives including immense amount of luxury, extravagance, safety and protection that we completely overlook it. These you won't find in the above listed places in any similar amount as a traveller or as a lone foreigner. Any follower of the right way will love to be rid of all those social and environmental evils and fitna and everything that hampers chastity, modesty, gheera and practise of the full deen, but the major problem you will face is income, safety and protection. [1]

    [1] You will have no such problems if you have high amounts of wealth and/or a major Western university degree (which assures you of lucrative employment in all such areas). It is true, in that, currently, money buys everything even in so called dar al-islam.

    * Various worldly lands are, whether they preach to be following Islam or not, all following similar ways and routines when they have the money and means to do so. They are following the Autolatrists, Nasaar and Yahud who lead the Occident, its aims and its thought. Sadly, fitna, filth and evils present in Sacramento, CA, USA and in London, UK are also present in Jeddah, KSA and Riyadh, KSA. The latter while much better in most ways, in a few things may be much more obscene and repugnant. The difference is that you are not pushed into it, to be in and around it and can totally avoid it as it is mostly hidden and openly unaccepted (contrary to the West where to oppose it is deemed heresy).

    * The best place in my knowledge, wallahi, and the closest to enable you to practise the way of the last Prophet is in KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). For islam, I know of no place better than KSA, many places there are still good enough to keep you and your religious safe. Northern Areas in Pakistan not far from the Himalayan range come next, but a typical modern day person can't live that simple and little life unless you be excellent (they live on daily routines nearly exactly like how RasulAllah and the Sahaba lived, i.e. they send caravan deportations to major cities for goods which they come back and sell in their small settlements. They only have a few electric generators but generally no electricity. They have extreme amounts of trust and reliance in Allah ta'ala, patience and strength I've not seen anywhere else in Muslims. They talk very little and in short deep words... by Western standards, extremely little. They basically live a lifestyle of rural pre-industrial revolution, agriculture, farming and the like. No such thing as pizza and coke there).

    KSA, AllahuAkbar, doesn't even allow a Muslim to go there, even on a visit, let alone move there.

    As an expat, you can only go there for political reasons, if you have a major business there, for 'umra/hajj and by sponsorship through a university, an employer or a family member.

    - Hajj/'umra is an indefinate 4 week visa where you are not allowed to leave outside these area's.

    - KSA work hiring from US/UK is generally by large businesses and industry seeking skilled specialists with +4 years experience in a major degree field. These have high pay rates and lavish benefits.

    - The only other way there is through the Indian/Pakistani free visa scheme whereby you pay an Arab (kafeel) money to sponsor you into the country and then keep paying them a monthly rate to stay. You have to pay that regardless of employment. You are under every stipulation he makes. You live there as under him and majority of them do treat you wickedly beneath a slave, as if you are worse than some animal they own. I have contacts there being oppressed for years and have been there myself under the scheme to know first-hand. I have been there a few times now.

    I went there at Umm al-Qura many years ago and was able to look around. I have many relatives and known living around it. Because of the prejudice, oppression and mistreatment of non-Arabs, nearly every one of them has suffered. One part of my family contacts are pure fraudsters and scamsters, deceiving the country and that being the only way they are living there; one lie and scam after another. One part are honest laborers working even upto 12 hours per day and being treated horrendously by arrogant, filthy Arab kafeels who are sponsoring their stay and dictate everything. Both parts are not my own contacts but that of my family. Personally, I am stuck and cannot find a good halal way into the country, to work and stay there. Obviously if I stayed there, I would need to get married too which is another dilemma.

    You can read more about my experience here: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f...tml#post315394

    If you do go to such an area, and you are not married but baaligh, then you need to get married ASAP. Above all, it is best for your deen, modesty and chastity. But marriage has conditions too and you need to fulfil them. Deen is first. Then the basics being income, food, shelter, clothing and safety. The last, and toughest I'd say nowadays is to find a decent partner (in terms of pious, chaste, modest, pure).

    If you are married then you have major immediate responsibilities that come first. None wants to risk harm or dishonour to their loved, all fear it. In this case, you also need higher assured continuous income, food, shelter, clothing and safety. Having a family to look after and hence obligations will limit severely your work, entrance and stay into KSA as an expat, being alone.

    So I don't know what to advise you but have summed up some info that I hope will help. Hopefully someone can shed light on any similar place that is unknown to me.

    Wassalam

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    masha allah.

    how is northern africa?

    even western africa like senegal or gambia?

    grass is always greener they say, but i could handle electric generators its doable

    some dissident americans moved to ecuador, loads of nice fruits grow there, apparently the ppl are welcoming (even to americans no national lampoon vacation) and you can be pretty self sufficient.

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    If you keep your mouth shut and don't get your nose stuffed in politics then north Africa would suit you as a foreigner but if you have any Algerian parent for ex then it's not a good idea since the local oppressing laws will be applied on you, the same as Morocco, Tunisia is very very bad idea, Libya would make you more stupid because of their laws and how things are done, the people there are welcoming though but the Gov Nah!

    Mauritania if you want to seek knowledge and you enjoy the sunny days, the dusty winds and the piles of the golden sand dunes and the silence.

    The huge problem in the above countries is the Bureaucracy, if you're not after papers and files then you should be more than fine.

    The best country I've heard about is Malaysia, a bro from there criticized the regime and the poverty and the administrations' corruption but all the bros who were foreigners there praise it and they said it does fit in a Muslim Society image despite of the filth who's everywhere, so I guess sometimes foreign people do fit better than the locals in some places.

    Subhana ALLAH, this Hijrah thingy is so tricky and mysterious but still we all want to try it even if we're going to lose everything, it's the human nature, to unveil the veiled mysteries.

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    if you thinking arab contries then Saudi, jeddah because it's multicultural where as Riydh is much more tribalistic and outsiders don't fit in easy.
    advantage that Mekkah is 1/2 hour whenevr you feel like doin umrah plus your sins don't count as double because it's outside of the haram, wallahu a'lam.

    any other Arab contry then don't stay in the capital city you'll find the same fitna and corruption except if your thinking yemen, the capital city has less drama then the south and theres a war in the north, it's really conservative contry anyway.

    so is Sudan, and Muritanya are conservative and i heard parts of Nigerea has some sharia aplied.

    Depends on what your looking for a life of zuhd and wara'a? or a life that has some of the modern comforts but a more islamic environment? also what languages you speak or want to learn?

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