Democracy, how does it contradict Islam and go against the aqeedah and shariah?

[BooNang]

Please answer this, as I dont know too much about its minute details, and would like to gain some insight so I could counter the Propganda and its propagandists?

Is Democracy Haram?....

Why?....

[mika]

Hi AbuAliTheRoman,

It is very easy to come up with at least one very clear example where Islam and Shariah contradict Democracy:

In a real democracy you are ensured your constitutional right to choose and change religion without involvement from the government, and likely also from friends and family.
People with democratic mind respect your choise.

Within Islam under Shariah, you are killed, outcaste from friends and family, or punished in other cruel ways, if you decide to change your direction of spiritual life.

In other words, you can choose between life long threats and punishment (Islam and Sharia), or your own free will to choose your way of free life (Democracy).

Why do so many muslims move FROM the Islamic world TO the "bad" western world, and not the other way?

BR
Mika

[Suhaib Jobst]

People with democratic mind respect your choise.

Or does it merely look that way? Is a "democratic" veneer merely covering a suffocating environment of conformity and a remarkable levelling process?

In other words, you can choose between life long threats and punishment (Islam and Sharia), or your own free will to choose your way of free life (Democracy).

The "democratic" way of life does not mean "free will", but the mechanisms within the society and the institutions of power make you subservient to their own desires. Both public opinion and the "norms" are manufactured by the media and other institutions, and then cultivated by the power centers.

Why do so many muslims move FROM the Islamic world TO the "bad" western world, and not the other way?

We are living in an age where material success is becomes the determining factor of all spheres of life. You are deluded into believing material success is tantamount to "progress", but it actually hastens the inevitable decline. Everything attached to material "progress" is or leads to decadence, particularly when it is left to the direction of human beings, without any bit of spiritual guidance.

[mika]

Hi Suhaib Jobst

I see that you are located in USA, one of the strongest democracies in the world a country that let you choose on all rows with regards to religion!

From your very critical input about democracy, I wonder why you have not LONG time ago moved to one of the beautiful hardcore Islamic countries in the muslin world, for example one of them that has divine sharia law as the backbone of the countries law system?.

BR
Mika

[walid]

Democracy is a greek concept which makes rule and judgement based on human desires and values i.e. people have chosen what should be the law of the land. The leader of this system has to be a multi-millionair and a very good liar. He or she rules for about a 5 years period before having to stand again for elections. He or she has to be a member of a group or party. Thus several parties exist but only one party wins. However, some countries like usa has only two parties that take turns while u.k has 3 parties where only two take turns. each party literally spends millions if not billions on the elections.
In democracy the none majority often rules. Example if you have an election in which 3 parties stand, say, party A gets 20%, party B gets 30% party C gets 20% then party B with 30% can be elected if it shares with aprty A or C. Note only 70% have voted another 30% did not vote. Infact party B did not get a majority, 70% did not vote for B, but it is the winner.


This system of rule has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Infact democracy is the separation of state from god eventhough some parties say they are religious i.e. hamas, jamat islami etc Infact muslims have confused their beliefs because some still believe they can win via the ballot box. Islamic rule cannot be built upon on a secular platform such a democracy

In Islam a group of people select or elect a leader Amir who is judged not on his looks or bank balance but his ability to govern islamically. His duty is to implement the rule of Allah on the people i.e. sharia. He can remain for 20 years or 20 days as he can be removed if the majis al shura (parliament) consider him to be unsuitable. The ruler must be a man has he has to lead in battle, lead prayers and conduct meeting in secret.


and mika most people are here from muslim countries because your greedy materialistic society about 200 years ago went around the world looting and raping other civilisations to make yourselves wealthy, hence these countries are now very poor and need to get what has been taken from them. 12 years ago there were no iraqi refugees in u.k but because of your blood thirsty foreign policies thier lands are destroyed and rightly so, they should come here!!!

[Hajjaj]

Hi AbuAliTheRoman,


Why do so many muslims move FROM the Islamic world TO the "bad" western world, and not the other way?

BR
Mika

I live in a muslim country and I am from the U.S.A. Where I live there are so many Americans that have left the U.S.A. that the Government turns them away at the Airport. There are Americans who live here illegally so they won't have return back to America.

[BooNang]

In other words, you can choose between life long threats and punishment (Islam and Sharia), or your own free will to choose your way of free life (Democracy).

So if i am free in Democracy, am i free to implement the laws of islam, to set up an Islamic state without Democracy interfering in my 'freedom of expression', 'freespeech' and 'freewill'?

If not then i am not free to obey the Creator through Democracy but instead enslaved and subservient to the will and desires of Man made restrictions of this man made system.

[Adem Al-Albani]

asSalaamu'alaykum

Simple, it goes against Islam and the Shari'ah for one main reason, it is a set of man-made lows. Forget all the other details/reasons. For that one main reason alone, is why Muslim should not accept this as our way of Law. May Allah protect us all.

[Suhaib Jobst]

I see that you are located in USA, one of the strongest democracies in the world a country that let you choose on all rows with regards to religion!

Actually, the United States was founded as a Republic and continues to have a government with a Federalist basis. None of the founders of this country - Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Adams, etc. - ever called the U.S. a "democracy" and many even spoke against democracy!

The modern age is one of decadence, where everything is seen from a wholly materialist perspective. In the field of politics, abstract concepts such as "democracy" predominate. Why? Because "democracy" is nothing but the rule of power and privilege, under the cover of "democratic rights" allegedly given to "the people".

The power centers have always been concentrated in the hands of a certain elite. What is voting? One chooses from the list of candidates who will all retain the status quo, anyone who questions the economic or social question is locked out of the system. What is public opinion, but the consent which is manufactured by the corporate media outlets and then cultivated by the political elites?

The matter is one of terms. Democracy is nothing but an abstract concept, and even its staunchest proponents, from the ancient Greek philosophers to the French philosophes of the Enlightenment, from John Locke to Alexis de Tocqueville, have all outlined the very problems inherent in such a system.

I leave you with a profound quote from the poet Johann Goethe: "None is more hopelessly enslaved than one who thinks he is free."

From your very critical input about democracy, I wonder why you have not LONG time ago moved to one of the beautiful hardcore Islamic countries in the muslin world, for example one of them that has divine sharia law as the backbone of the countries law system?

What country has instituted Shari'ah as "the backbone of its law system"? In those countries which do have some laws, it is not in its entirety and is only a law here and there. As for the reason, because I have not known any other country except the U.S.. We may share the same bonds of faith, but those are not "my" countries.

This also shows the weakness in the modern concept of the Nation-State, which is often arbitrary and becomes the means of exploitation at the hands of the political and financial elites. In contrast, the spiritual conception of the ummah as a unifying construct which establishes bonds between all Muslims, is very profound indeed.

[BooNang]

Actually, the United States was founded as a Republic and continues to have a government with a Federalist basis. None of the founders of this country - Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Adams, etc. - ever called the U.S. a "democracy" and many even spoke against democracy!

Maa Shaa' Allaah, brother could you get me the links for this, this would be very usefull.