Goharshahi - Another New Crackhead Cult

[Shaolinmaster]

http://www.goharshahi.com/

These cults are a pound a penny these days. This "all religions are the same" rhetoric seems to be a big business and a guaranteed money maker. Looks like another villager is cashing in by claiming his face is in the sky, clouds, space and that blob on the black stone is his face lol. They're also towing the same "Wahhabi extremist" line that every other maniac without any real substance is using to get himself noticed. I'm sure he'll show up eventually on the Quillia Website soon as one of their senior advisors.

[Suhaib Jobst]

Astaghfirullah! This messanism is really a sickness and troubling trend. But it is interesting that most of those groups which promote this messianism are also into perennialism, i.e. the belief that all the religions are valid. Indeed the two heresies are inseparable as was documented by Sidi Umar Vadillo.

The correlation is because many of these messianic groups believe in a suspension of their duties and obligations, which they justify with "waiting on the Mahdi". It also allows them to come forward with a new list of "duties" which are of course defined by their leader (who in turn appears to march to the tune of shady figures at the top reins of power and finance). The poison of esotericism has unfortunately made itself felt within various facets of discourse. It appears that this Gohar Shahi is another unwelcome addition. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) protect us. Amin.

[celt islam]

Astaghfirullah! This messanism is really a sickness and troubling trend. But it is interesting that most of those groups which promote this messianism are also into perennialism, i.e. the belief that all the religions are valid. Indeed the two heresies are inseparable as was documented by Sidi Umar Vadillo.

The correlation is because many of these messianic groups believe in a suspension of their duties and obligations, which they justify with "waiting on the Mahdi". It also allows them to come forward with a new list of "duties" which are of course defined by their leader (who in turn appears to march to the tune of shady figures at the top reins of power and finance). The poison of esotericism has unfortunately made itself felt within various facets of discourse. It appears that this Gohar Shahi is another unwelcome addition. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) protect us. Amin.

Asalaamualaykum Sidi.

Yes indeed this messianic mahdism is sadly one of those deviations that has many a time risen its ugly head among the Ummah May Allah protect us all from such esoteric deviations.

Interesting you also mention perrenialism as this is one of the main characteristics of these messianic cults and sects.

Umar Vadillio does some excellent work on these topics and shows some deep facts about the dangers of perrenialism and madhism and how its been used as a passport to submit to kaffir rule and not establish amr nevermind expanding the deen to new lands , May Allah protect us all ameen.

[IbnShaykh]

which are of course defined by their leader

How is that different to Ian Dallas.

Oh wait he follows Qur'an and Sunnah as if there is no room for bias in that or misguidance in his views.

I often wonder if cultists like yourself have ever had an original thought of their own. 'Shaykh Maqdisi said' 'Shaykh Abdul Qadir said'

Same old Qeela Qala.

[celt islam]

How is that different to Ian Dallas.

Oh wait he follows Qur'an and Sunnah as if there is no room for bias in that or misguidance in his views.

I often wonder if cultists like yourself have ever had an original thought of their own. 'Shaykh Maqdisi said' 'Shaykh Abdul Qadir said'

Same old Qeela Qala.

The difference Young Man here is that we know what we are talking about where as you dont! as usal you are throwing red herrings to sidetrack from this serious topic by throwing in again vindictive attacks against a well established Shaykh of the Ahul Sunna.

Shaykh AbdalQadir is a teacher , we dont worship men! nor do we blind follow them! is that understood enough for you!!!

You havent read one single book writen by Shaykh AbdalQadir nevermind met him or been in his company, so you have no room to make any judgements and your very essence seems to be that of a young man on some crusade and inquisition against Muslims who dont fit your sectarian stance.

Shaykh AbdalQadir is against shaykh worship alim worship ulama worship! do you not read the quraan and hadith against the warnin of blind following ulama like to that of preists and rabbi?

Ma salaama

[IbnShaykh]

The difference Young Man here is that we know what we are talking about where as you dont! as usal you are throwing red herrings to sidetrack from this serious topic by throwing in again vindictive attacks against a well established Shaykh of the Ahul Sunna.

Shaykh AbdalQadir is a teacher , we dont worship men! nor do we blind follow them! is that understood enough for you!!!

You havent read one single book writen by Shaykh AbdalQadir nevermind met him or been in his company, so you have no room to make any judgements and your very essence seems to be that of a young man on some crusade and inquisition against Muslims who dont fit your sectarian stance.

Shaykh AbdalQadir is against shaykh worship alim worship ulama worship! do you not read the quraan and hadith against the warnin of blind following ulama like to that of preists and rabbi?

Ma salaama

Yes you sure do sound like you know what you are talking about....

Anyway my point is this, that any man who places himself at the top of an organisation or religious group in contemporary times is on dodgy ground. Islam is broad as are the differences of opinions and views on resolving of issues, how can one man be equipped to deal with it all? Furthermore while I appreciate your zeal in that which you say (I mean that sincerely) surely you are not oblivious to how narrow it is to belong to one organisation? And surely you are not blind to your own bias? How is it, every time anyone mentions anything against Abdul Qadir you respond in a very angry tone, yet when someone attacks say Abu Hanifa there is no response from you? How is it you go to great lengths to defend your own sect or organisation with mere cut and paste articles and rhetoric? Surely these are signs of blind following and no real original thought. Compare your actions and zeal to the Jihadi over Usamah Bin Ladin or the salafi over Bin Baz and you can see a similarity. Anyone who is fair and unbiased can see a similarity and therein is the problem. Blind following and arguments based upon party lines rather than a genuine conclusion based on truth.

No one man can define your deen for you only Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (saws).

It is a double bias, 'salafi says' so 'I say', people need to move past to that to a genuine search of the truth.

[abu 'eesa]

The difference Young Man

That's about as personal a personal attack can get!

[celt islam]

Yes you sure do sound like you know what you are talking about....

Anyway my point is this, that any man who places himself at the top of an organisation or religious group in contemporary times is on dodgy ground. Islam is broad as are the differences of opinions and views on resolving of issues, how can one man be equipped to deal with it all?

Asalaamualaykum.

Amr is leadership in Islam , Amr is not committee based Islam nor is it organisationism islam.

Shaykh AbdalQadir for one example is not the all and end all of the leadership of The Murabitun muslim communities.

Shaykh AbdalQadir has an Amir , yes he has an Amir who is not his shaykh .

You see Sidi when you are with an active muslim community with leadership you will understand the sunna and nessesity of having an Amir.

Islam is not a secularist faith i do hope you understand what i am saying here as without an amir your not fullfling your duty to establish the deen because the deen is also based on amr.

[IbnShaykh]

Asalaamualaykum.

Amr is leadership in Islam , Amr is not committee based Islam nor is it organisationism islam.

Shaykh AbdalQadir for one example is not the all and end all of the leadership of The Murabitun muslim communities.

Shaykh AbdalQadir has an Amir , yes he has an Amir who is not his shaykh .

You see Sidi when you are with an active muslim community with leadership you will understand the sunna and nessesity of having an Amir.

Islam is not a secularist faith i do hope you understand what i am saying here as without an amir your not fullfling your duty to establish the deen because the deen is also based on amr.

Sounds a pretty dodgy argument to me and again I mean that sincerity.

Many a person salafi sufi and none Muslim have been thrown into destruction on the above principle.

[abu 'eesa]

Can I be an ameer?