Hadith About the Quran and Sunnah Weak/Mursal?

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    Hadith About the Quran and Sunnah Weak/Mursal?

    Hadith About the Quran and Sunnah Dhaeef/Mursal?

    Salamu Alaikum.
    i have a question the following hadith :

    This Hadeeth about the Quran and Sunnah (i.e. “I am leaving you with the book of Allah and my Sunnah''

    is it declared: mursal/weak??

    Ninowi said:
    ''Please note, that some people are using an alleged Hadeeth (that I am leaving you with the book of Allah and my Sunnah). Please be advised that this Hadeeth is extremely weak. Moreover, many leading scholars of Hadeeth have declared it as fabricated''.

    and if it is Saheeh then how come that Sahih Muslim/Sahih Bukhari didnt collect it because we cant find it anywhere in Sahih Muslim/Sahih Bukhari.?

    i heard many scholars declared this hadith weak/mursal?



    could someone explain this matter more in detail about this narration?
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    wa’alaikum as-salaam,

    The narration was transmitted by al-Haakim and appears in the Muwatta of Imam Malik rahimahullah.
    It was discussed in some detail here and here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasir View Post
    wa’alaikum as-salaam,

    The narration was transmitted by al-Haakim and appears in the Muwatta of Imam Malik rahimahullah.
    It was discussed in some detail here and here.
    do you have something in english i cant read arabic

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    Bro, this has been refuted here:

    http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/re...ran-and-sunnah

    That guy, Ninowi, is a shia in sunni clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salahadeen View Post
    Bro, this has been refuted here:

    http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/re...ran-and-sunnah

    That guy, Ninowi, is a shia in sunni clothing.
    yes i read that article but ''Shaikh'' Gibril Haddad is not really a person to take ilm from dont you agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah Ali al Hanafi View Post
    yes i read that article but ''Shaikh'' Gibril Haddad is not really a person to take ilm from dont you agree
    And Ninowi is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salahadeen View Post
    And Ninowi is?
    i used his statement to start a discussion i never called him my shaikh or source i take ilm from , i have his explanation of Aqeedahtul Tahawiyya but further then that i dont know anything about him ,

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    Anyways Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim didnt collect all the sahih hadith in there collections.Actually Imam Bukhari himself said that his niyyah was not to collect all the sahih hadith in the whole wide world. There are other books of hadith which contains sahih hadith which are not present in Bukhari and Muslim.

    If somebody argues that the hadith is not in Bukhari and Muslim so it is not sahih is a ignorant person and have no idea of the hadith sciences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah Ali al Hanafi View Post
    Hadith About the Quran and Sunnah Dhaeef/Mursal?

    Salamu Alaikum.
    i have a question the following hadith :

    This Hadeeth about the Quran and Sunnah (i.e. “I am leaving you with the book of Allah and my Sunnah''

    is it declared: mursal/weak??

    Ninowi said:
    ''Please note, that some people are using an alleged Hadeeth (that I am leaving you with the book of Allah and my Sunnah). Please be advised that this Hadeeth is extremely weak. Moreover, many leading scholars of Hadeeth have declared it as fabricated''.

    and if it is Saheeh then how come that Sahih Muslim/Sahih Bukhari didnt collect it because we cant find it anywhere in Sahih Muslim/Sahih Bukhari.?

    i heard many scholars declared this hadith weak/mursal?

    could someone explain this matter more in detail about this narration?
    It is Hasan reported by ibn Hazm in al-Ahkaam by the way of Tawr ibn Zayd ad-Dili from Ikrimah from bin Abbas who narrated that Allaah's Messenger addressed the people in the Farewell Hajj and said

    "O people! I have left amongst you that which if you cling onto, you will never go astray, The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah."

    al-Baihaqi and al-Haakim also reported it. Some may dispute the authority of Ikrimah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suhail View Post
    If somebody argues that the hadith is not in Bukhari and Muslim so it is not sahih is a ignorant person and have no idea of the hadith sciences.
    If that were the case--as these Rawaafidh dogs and their Shia-leaning lackeys imply--then why wouldn't we Sunnis just dump every other hadeeth book other than the Sahihayn!?

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