HOW do Communism and Democracy contradict ISLAAM???

[Saiful Rahman Al Afghany]

Please discusss and give logical dalail ...

Also: HOW is the Islamic system better than Communism and Democracy?

And who can tell me more about Capitalism and Socialism?

I need 'aqli and naqli arguments - barak Allaahu feekum!

[Saiful Rahman Al Afghany]

The ummat is facing so many challenges and we are still debating whether Khidr is alife ornot! The modernists and secularists are destroying Islaam. The 'awaam are so ignorant about their evils. That's where the actual battles are fought - not under the navel of the hanafi - as a brother rightly said!!!

[kite_runner02]

What do you mean by 'modernists'?

Are you against being modern, i.e., living with the times? And how do you feel being modern is against Islam? Or better yet, "evil"?

You should explain yourself with these comments.

Also, secularist ideas aren't bad or anti-Islamic if they don't conflict with Islamic principles or ideals.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), when he forged the Constitution of Medina essentially created a document that was obviously in accord with everything Islamic, but can easily be interpreted as secular and could be copied by secular people as a basis for governing documents.

I think you're engaging in a bit of hyperbole in negating anything that doesn't warrant living in a cave and raising Kalashnikov's in the left hand and Holy Qurans in the right.

Unless I have totally misinterpreted your point, in which case I apologize.

Nevertheless, please explain your thought further.

[princesatriguena]

It's late and I don't feel like getting all scholarly right now.. but there is the issue in both communism and democracy as theories which go against Islam in the idea of any other laws (man's) other than God's law... which is against Islam... now can democratic or communistic principles work in an Islamic society.... maybe.. but the issue lies in which ones can be implemented and which excluded according to the needs of the population at large....

One thing you might want to take into account is that NO working system in existence is purely Islamic, or democratic, or communist.... the theories of all imply an ideal society yet none have been practiced in society and worked out ideally.... so far... and thus no utopia had been established.

[Abdullah Abbas]

Please discusss and give logical dalail ...

Also: HOW is the Islamic system better than Communism and Democracy?

And who can tell me more about Capitalism and Socialism?

I need 'aqli and naqli arguments - barak Allaahu feekum!

egyptian writer sayyid qutb said:

معالم في الطريق
Ma'alim fi al-Tariq

"anyone who serves someone other than God" — be that someone (or something) a priest, president, a parliament, or a legal statute of a secular state — "is outside God's religion, although he may claim to profess this religion." (p.60)

"Islam cannot accept or agree to a situation which is half-Islam and half-Jahiliyyah ... The mixing and co-existence of the truth and falsehood is impossible."

"We will not change our own values and concepts either more or less to make a bargain with this jahili society. Never!" (p.21)

''It is very important not to demean Islam by "searching for resemblances" between Islam and the "filth" and "the rubbish heap of the West." (p.139)

[AustralianRevert]

I can tell you really easily.

Communism = state atheism.
Unless you mean some other form of socialist government?
I can explain how socialism is bad for a state ideology.
Socialism is FORCED taxation to pay for charity. So this means that whether you are muslim or munafiqeen, or a disbeliever or christian, your pay gets taxed and it feeds the poor, not only is this forced, centralized zakat bad because of bureacratic mismanagement, but it also takes away the "intention" for the good person to give to charity, and leaves them with only enough to survive on.
IT also is bad for a bad/evil person to be forced taxation for zakat as they can then turn around and say "my taxes pay for your salary chump!", and other things like that.
So zakat/socialism/spreading the wealth, has to be a voluntary thing good people do. The other part that is bad, is if a poor person is evil, such as some of the welfare recipients in the US, then a good person can be forcibly taxed to pay for a bad person, who may be involved in illegal drug trade etc.
So forced socialism is bad, and is a tool of the jews.

Democracy on the other hand, is a complete farce.
It is incompatible with Islam because, unlike disbelievers and satanic worldviews/ideologies, Islam has consensus, now we might argue and disagree about certain things, but these are usually distressingly irrelevant. Democracy on the other hand is about "competing ideologies", and is also a tool of the jews/shaitan, they use democracy, and have the "Right" which represents usually islam/conservatism etc, but then they distort it beyond that, they then have the "left", which is liberalism, now what liberalism does, is it starts to bring every type of class of humans in the state into a "Victim class", and they try to get "rights" and things like this, so the media which is usually owned by the oligarchs manipulates people using liberalism, which is a false-freedom, like chasing dunya.
Democracy is also contradictory in a capitalist non-religiously cohesive state, as if it is supposed to be decided by "the majority", yet the only people that can afford political parties are the rich people, so this is contradictory.
Democracy is manipulation, the whole way it's done, the usury central bank, it's a tool for liberalism, the final form of liberalism is state atheist which is communism, democracy is a transition to satanic-stateatheist communism.
The NWO/JWO is using democracy to instill liberalism, the "poison of liberalism" on a global level, the only competing ideology to the NWO/satanic ideology is Islam, there is no other ideology.

There is satanic government(communism - and it's various names), and there is islamic government.

We should focus more on refining and evolving islamic governance with a modern economy and the new technology, this will take some time.
Shaitan has such a stronghold on this planet right now, that anything other than focusing on the destruction of the Global Communist state is absolutely unimportant.
However upon its destruction we have to start to work out islamic governance, and how to deal with disbelievers, and how to deal with munafiqeen, and how to deal with moderates.... but supposedly jesus and the mahdi will take care of that