Omnipitus2006's obsession with Ibn Myatt

[omnipitus2006]

No Muslim dropped a bomb on Hiroshima , no muslim made the nuclear bomb , if you would take the time to read some of Abu Zubairs comments on attacking innocents and others in Islam then you might not have made that outrageous comment. You dont need to look to far from your own front door for mass murderers.

I'm sorry, where did I say Muslims are exclusively responsible for all historical violence? Please leave your strawmen in the fields.

Abu Zubair has done a very good job - as evidenced by Myatt's inability to respond to his points - as other muslims have done in the past to David as well. I've been watching muslims put David's feet to the fire for 5 years.

Of course it wasn't muslims who invented atomic bombs, you could probably count on two hands all the universities which existed in Islamic countries in 1945, even less the number of physics departments.

Why do you bring it up? Hiroshima isn't even an example of terrorism.

[ibnmyatt]

Abu Zubair has done a very good job - as evidenced by Myatt's inability to respond to his points - as other muslims have done in the past to David as well. I've been watching muslims put David's feet to the fire for 5 years.

Interesting how your perception differs from the reality as anyone who can be bothered to view the archives for soc.religion.islam can see, and as anyone who has read this thread can also see.

But, please avoid argumentum ad hominem.

[gag order]

omnipitus2006 is a zionist kafir! 'a different take on israel'
A different take on Israel?

Why are Jews so powerful?

[ibnmyatt]

Whether you call it an ideology or a deen is irrelevant

It is the essence of the matter which you and many if not most kuffar cannot comprehend.

now you're using the ideology (deen) of Islamism.

Argumentum ad hominem (al-Daalil al-murafaah ilaa al-shakhs).

Also, an invalid assumption, by you. What you believe or assume about such things is irrelevant.

There is one constant, which extends further into your time spent as a satanist,

Malicious, unfounded allegation, spread by Zionists. No one has ever produced any proof whatsoever for this allegation.

I just think its important that muslims who read your work are familiar with your past,

My past is no secret here, or among the Muslims in general.

Funny that you dated it

Assumption, by you. Did you not even bother to read what I said in relation to such things?

I know far too much about you and your duplicitous (to say the least) past to believe your word on this matter.

Strange, coming from someone who is so afraid to reveal their true identity.

But this is far off-topic, and such Argumentum ad hominem has been used before, by you, many times over the years, and the kuffar can believe what they want about me.

"From each and every direction He has the power to deliver misfortune to you - to sow confusion and dissension among you. Thus do We reveal our Signs, that you might understand them." 6:65 Interpretation of Meaning

[Umm Ahmed]

I'm sorry, where did I say Muslims are exclusively responsible for all historical violence? Please leave your strawmen in the fields.

The statement that I quoted from you seemed to imply that our religion will produce murderers and although you mentioned the word "could" it was still a broad sweeping comment.

Of course it wasn't muslims who invented atomic bombs, you could probably count on two hands all the universities which existed in Islamic countries in 1945, even less the number of physics departments..

ahh okay perhaps you will find this site interesting http://www.muslimheritage.com/

Why do you bring it up? Hiroshima isn't even an example of terrorism.

Ask a japanese national or look into why the bomb was dropped.

You mentioned you have been watching ibn myaat for 5 years ? isn't that a tad obsessive no one can be perfect (except our lord) and even more so when they are being scrutinised.

When someone becomes a muslim it takes some time to learn everything (myself included ) your not being fair .

[omnipitus2006]

The statement that I quoted from you seemed to imply that our religion will produce murderers and although you mentioned the word "could" it was still a broad sweeping comment.

Your religion can produce murderers. What religion can't?

Ask a japanese national or look into why the bomb was dropped.

The question isn't 'why' - its 'was it terrroism?' The answer is no - and it doesn't matter how I ask - its also 'no'.

You mentioned you have been watching ibn myaat for 5 years ? isn't that a tad obsessive no one can be perfect (except our lord) and even more so when they are being scrutinised.

Obssessive? Hardly. He's not that voracious a poster. Remember, I'm the kind of person he would kill, an unbeliever who will never 'submit' to Islam. With that in mind, how could I ignore him? The fact is once I started looking into his past I saw an overall pattern which throws doubt on his claims of being a muslim at all, much less a jihadist.

When someone becomes a muslim it takes some time to learn everything (myself included ) your not being fair .

I'm being more than fair - and I'd argue more rational than a muslim could be in this situation. Try to look at this objectively. Here we have an ex-satanist (some say probably not so 'ex'), ex-buddhist, ex-national socialist, now claiming he's a muslim and yet arguing for the exact same thing as he's always argued for - destruction to bring about his 'folk culture' ideology where people live in primitive agrarian pseudo communities defined solely by their "race". The only thing that has ever changed with David is the packaging.

[omnipitus2006]

It is the essence of the matter which you and many if not most kuffar cannot comprehend.

Argumentum ad hominem

Here we see another manifestation of your duplicity, claiming an argument can be dismissed as an 'ad hominem' (it wasn't, btw) after using several yourself. Like calling me a 'pro-zionist' and an insulter of the prophet.

Malicious, unfounded allegation, spread by Zionists. No one has ever produced any proof whatsoever for this allegation.

No one has ever produced proof that you're a muslim. It is an allegation, but its hardly unfounded.

My past is no secret here, or among the Muslims in general.

Good to know your past is no secret here, what about your present? ;-)

Assumption, by you. Did you not even bother to read what I said in relation to such things?

On top of your denial I've read other people who think the episode was simply another example of "Myatt the trickster".

Strange, coming from someone who is so afraid to reveal their true identity.

There is no connection to my use of an alias for identity protection purposes and your duplicitous past. In fact I'd have to say such a comment is 'argument ad hominem', and I know how much you like to pretend that bothers you.

BTW - What exactly is you're entire ideology if not one big, long rambling 'ad hominem' towards the 'kuffar'?

But this is far off-topic, and such Argumentum ad hominem has been used before, by you, many times over the years, and the kuffar can believe what they want about me.

Nobody *wants* to believe what they do about you David, unfortunately you give them no choice.

[ibnmyatt]

Like calling me a 'pro-zionist' and an insulter of the prophet.

You are an admitted pro-Zionist and you have insulted the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). Both are facts - as is the fact that this thread is a discussion about a topic of interest and importance to Muslims. You responded by a personal attack on the person who began this thread. That is argumentum ad hominem - therefore your conclusion is in error.

No one has ever produced proof that you're a muslim.

Obviously you missed the proof in your years of searching the Net in your obsession with me, not that such proof is or should be important. But the fact that you have missed it all these years is very interesting.

Good to know your past is no secret here, what about your present?

Obviously you read the words of one of my previous replies but did not understand them: the present is in "the public domain".

On top of your denial I've read other people who think the episode was simply another example of "Myatt the trickster".

And the point is? That someone else believes something about me which is unfounded?

There is no connection to my use of an alias for identity protection purposes and your duplicitous past.

First, my past has been scrutinized by many journalists over many years, and by several academics - there is nothing duplicitous about it, except in the minds of people who have an obsession for one reason or another, or some agenda of their own.

Second, your make personal attacks on individuals anonymously - and insult our Deen, Muslims, and the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). You praise the Zionist entity which occupies Palestine - all from the relative safety of some pseudonym.

Third, in such personal attacks you make assumptions and allegations but fail to provide evidence (like your Zionist buddies in Searchlight).

These things seem to show a certain type of personal character, and leave you open to personal attacks.

[Umm Ahmed]

Your religion can produce murderers. What religion can't?

Yes of course they can defending our Lord and the truth is a noble cause, far better than the murdering going on right now in the name of democracy or might is right, but your comment was about Islam so I rightly answered that.

Obssessive?

Five years is obsessive

Try to look at this objectively. Here we have an ex-satanist (some say probably not so 'ex'), ex-buddhist, ex-national socialist, now claiming he's a muslim and yet arguing for the exact same thing as he's always argued for - destruction to bring about his 'folk culture' ideology where people live in primitive agrarian pseudo communities defined solely by their "race". The only thing that has ever changed with David is the packaging

If you look at how he became a muslim jihad was not mentioned, his problem before was with being a racist, which as a muslim you can not harbour the concept of supreme loyalty to one’s family, race, ethnic grouping, or nation , leave him be to discuss with others and learn , or maybe you wont be happy untill he is locked up or something , grudges and ill will can destroy the best of us .

[omnipitus2006]

You are an admitted pro-Zionist and you have insulted the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). Both are facts - as is the fact that this thread is a discussion about a topic of interest and importance to Muslims. You responded by a personal attack on the person who began this thread. That is argumentum ad hominem - therefore your conclusion is in error.

I have no interest in the topic. My only interest is in you. The topic, as far as I see it, is 'Islam can produce terrorism - here's why in terms of Islamic law'. I'm more than familiar with the arguments Muslims make to justify killing lots of defenseless people in cowardly, self destructive, and tactically dubious acts. I knew long before you did that Islam is more a 'movement' than a religion.

So you can understand why I'm less than impressed in you focusing on 'argument ad hominem' when one doesn't exist and its largely all you do.

Obviously you missed the proof in your years of searching the Net in your obsession with me, not that such proof is or should be important. But the fact that you have missed it all these years is very interesting.

This is a common problem with the lazy scholar, you think 'evidence' is 'proof'. I've seen 'evidence' that you're a muslim, mainly from comments of other muslims testifying to your 'conversion', but that is not 'proof', that is 'evidence', and from my perspective its very weak 'evidence', especially when I consider the 'evidence' of your past - which exceeds such comments by vast volumes.

So my statement stands as true. No one has ever presented proof that you're a muslim. Certainly not to me.

Obviously you read the words of one of my previous replies but did not understand them: the present is in "the public domain".

Sorry - call me a cynic or a realist ;-) - but I'll need more than that. In the 'public domain', I'm royalty.

And the point is? That someone else believes something about me which is unfounded?

Just letting you know that I've read your rebuttals to that rather funny episode. And I've read other stuff about it as well.

First, my past has been scrutinized by many journalists over many years, and by several academics - there is nothing duplicitous about it, except in the minds of people who have an obsession for one reason or another, or some agenda of their own.

I remain unconvinced, largely based on the writings of some of the journalism and 'academics' you mention. The only agenda such people as journalists and academics tend to have is for 'the truth'; and I think we can agree your agenda is 'David's truth'.

Second, your make personal attacks on individuals anonymously - and insult our Deen, Muslims, and the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). You praise the Zionist entity which occupies Palestine - all from the relative safety of some pseudonym.

Be fair David, I also work to help people leave Islam. I'm very well rounded.

Third, in such personal attacks you make assumptions and allegations but fail to provide evidence (like your Zionist buddies in Searchlight).

I think a common symptom of paranoia is to see enemies where none exist. The fact that you think I have 'buddies' in 'searchlight' - which is afaict a left wing, socially progressive, english rag - is just weird. I'm a hard core conservative right winger. I have zero relationship with them at all.

These things seem to show a certain type of personal character, and leave you open to personal attacks.

My character is irrelevant, and you know nothing about it except what I let filter through the internet.

You should know that I'm convinced of your Islamic argument. I think you're right - Islam allows for what the kuffar- with their concepts, ideals, perspective, and blah blah - calls 'Islamic Terrorism'.

Heck! That's why we call it 'Islamic Terrorism' in the first place. Its terrorism conducted based on the legal interpretation of Islamic texts and material. Of course it exists. The question for me isn't 'is it there?', its 'how could anyone be impressed with this nonsense?'.

Long before I'm a 'zionist' or an 'insulter of the prophet', I'm agnostic.

However, considering your posting this material to convince other muslims of the righteousness of killing people like me, I don't think you have much to complain about if I call into question - at least - your integrity. It might help to give that gullible person a chance to reconsider, in light of a fuller picture of the source.