Omnipitus2006's obsession with Ibn Myatt

[ibnmyatt]

I have no interest in the topic. My only interest is in you.

All Praise and All Thanks are for Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) to whom we shall all return to be judged on The Last Day.

We praise Him and ask Him for help and forgiveness; and ask His protection from the mischief of our souls and the bad results of our deeds; whomsoever Allah guides, none can misguide; and whom He declares misguided, none can guide to the right path; and I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah: He is Alone, without partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is the Messenger and Servant of Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala).

"The testimony of Shahadah, there is no god but Allah, requires you to love only for the sake of Allah, to hate only for the sake of Allah, to ally yourself only for the sake of Allah, to declare enmity only for the sake of Allah; it requires you to love what Allah loves and to hate what Allah hates." Ibn Tammaya, al-Ihtijaj bil-Qadar, 62

The topic, as far as I see it,

How you, a Zionist - someone who has insulted our beloved Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) - see things is irrelevant for us Muslims.


"The Jews and Nazarenes will never be satisfied with you until they have changed your Way of Life." 2: 120 Interpretation of Meaning

No one has ever presented proof that you're a muslim. Certainly not to me.

No one needs to present such proof, but the proof is "out there". If it matters so much to you - go find it. That you have not found it and continue to repeat your baseless allegations based on your kaffir ignorance comes as no surprise, given your character and your obsession.


"They [the kafiroon] want to extinguish Allah's Light with their deceit, their lies, but Allah will never allow this - for His Light will be seen even though they the Kafiroon hate (it). For it is He Who has sent His Messenger to reveal the Way of truth, to make it triumph over all other Ways even though they, the Mushrikûn, hate (it)." 9: 32-33 Interpretation of Meaning

My character is irrelevant

It is very relevant, as those not obsessed can surely see.

"It was narrated on the authority of Abu Hariara that the Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: "He who believes in Allah and the Last Day should either speak honourably or be silent." (Muslim Book 1, 75)


May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala forgive us for our mistakes and may He guide us to and keep us on the Right Path.

Abdul-Aziz

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omnipitus2006 said quite rightly (about himself) 'My character is irrelevant', at least we can agree on this!

[omnipitus2006]

Anyone interested can view our discussion about this on soc.religion.islam - it was not "my" site, and was written by me before my reversion.

This essay was originally found at "http://david.myatt.tripod.com/gnostic_writings.html"

david.myatt.tripod.com describes itself as a 'mirror' of your website. On it you thank "RS" (Richard Stirling) for his assistance. The essay is now available at

http://www.cosmicbeing.info/human_problem.html

I reproduce it here so people can decide for themselves if they believe your claims that is was written before your conversion, the date is faked (by a good friend of yours, it appears), and that it wasn't 'your site' - even though it clearly describes itself as a mirror of your site.

"Our Human Problem"

In the course of my life I have had the good fortune to travel around this planet which is our home, as I have lived for months, and sometimes years, among diverse cultures. I have also experienced, and studied, at first-hand, and for extended periods often lasting years, many different Ways of Life, including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Christianity, and paganism. In addition, I have had many interesting occupations and experiences and involvements - although in some ways my notoriety, resulting from some of these experiences and involvements, is not altogether justified by the reality of my life.

In many ways, as I have sought to explain in some other writings, my life has been a journey to discover, to know, the meaning of our own lives. In the course of this journey I have made quite a few mistakes, as I have, many times, caused suffering in others just as I once was quite arrogant - indeed, fanatical and intolerant - about my own beliefs, or what at a particular time I considered were my beliefs and views. Sometimes - perchance to justly counter-balance my own violent past - I have also had the misfortune to be treated in a dishonorable way, by others: to have suffered injustice, and violence, due to the prejudice, intolerance and dishonour of others. But - pathei mathos as Aeschylus wrote.

Now, in the middle of the fifth decade of my life as I reflect upon my past, my experiences - upon the learning from my errors of experience - I have come to certain conclusions, as I have come to understand the need for reason, compassion, empathy, tolerance, and the true justice and freedom that, I now believe, only arises from personal honour. One of my conclusions concerns our seeming inability, as a species, to learn from our past mistakes, to learn from the dishonour of our history. Why cannot we use our will and act with honour, with reason? Why do we still - after over five thousand years of experience - fail to grasp what our history teaches us about ourselves? Why do we still pursue abstract ideas and strive to mould people to these ideas instead of celebrating diversity, difference and individuality?

In a philosophical way, we seem to have lost the essence of our being through interpreting ourselves, others, and the world, in terms of abstract beings - categories, isms, theories, structures, terms, ideas and the like - which we largely project onto reality and which so distort reality. This in, in effect, a methodology of abstraction. In a real way, we have largely disconnected ourselves from the numen of life, and especially from the numen of Nature, by our urban way of life, our modern means of transportation, and our reliance on technology and this methodology of abstraction.
After five thousand years of experience - of creativity, learning, suffering, discovery - we can still make excuses for having a large Army invade another land and subjugate another people and kill "enemies"; still make excuses for killing thousands upon thousands of people by dropping bombs on them; and still condone the dishonorable shackling of people and their incarceration - and even their torture. After five thousand years of insights being available to us - from Loa Tzu, the Buddha, the works of Aeschylus, Sophocles, to the images of our planet Earth from Space - we can still be indifferent to such things, to the suffering of our fellow human beings, and especially to our own failings, which we often strive to hide through hypocrisy and arrogance.

How much time do we, as a species, need to become rational, honourable, empathic - truly civilized - human beings? Another five thousand years? Ten thousand? Thirty thousand? Perhaps. But will we, by then, have destroyed the fragile connexions of Nature which brought life to this planet and which sustain our life? Possibly. And how many more millions of human beings will suffer and die in humiliation and agony before then?

Why cannot we learn, as I myself have learnt, albeit my learning was achieved painfully slowly with many returns to causing suffering in others? In the West, we seem to be proud of our system of so-called "education" which has been with us for some hundred years. But has this brought enlightenment, understanding and the beginnings of wisdom to most? Has it bred honourable character? In the majority of instances, no. In the West, we seem mighty proud of ourselves and our "system" - so proud in fact that we strive to export it by force of arms, or by of force of money and bribery, to other lands, always forgetting, it seems, the poverty, the injustice, the degradation, the addiction, the inequality, the dishonourable violence, the prejudice, that still exists in almost every Western land, and especially in those who bleat so loudly about their own achievements and values.

Perhaps it will always be like this - people striving, as I myself have strived, toward wisdom, and in the process inflicting suffering on others. But it seems to me - these last few years and especially these last few months - that there is a way out of this. This way involves three simple things.

The first is to understand that good is simply the alleviation of suffering by means which do not cause any more suffering - that is, it is simply striving not to do any harm: striving not to harm any living being, human, animal or otherwise. This involves us in developing empathy, and compassion - it involves us in feeling, understanding and appreciating how all life is connected. It involves us in having the new perspective of the Cosmos as our guide - but not in any mystical way. Rather, in the rational way which arises when we feel and know how we have evolved from primitive life; how we exist on one planet circling one star among billions of stars in one Galaxy which itself is only one Galaxy among billions in the Cosmos. In brief, it involves is in growing-up - ceasing to be children who are enwrapped in themselves and their desires but who instead by becoming aware of the wider world, the wider Cosmos beyond, develope that perspective, that respect, which is part of maturity. The human failing now, as in the past, is to posit some abstract "good" the striving for which almost always involves inflicting suffering, harm or death upon others. That is, in the pursuit of this abstract "good" we have condoned, even encouraged, more suffering. But the empathic reality is that whatever causes suffering is wrong - that causing more suffering cannot ever be justified.

The second simple thing - in many ways deriving from the first - is for us to abandon the methodology of abstraction, and in the most important practical sense this means abandoning the artificial divisions we have created in the world through such artificial ideas as "politics" and "nation" and "government". That is, we must move toward the true sovereignty of the individual, and abolish large, abstract, structures, like nations, and the governments, and elites of privilege which, in theory at least, "govern" such abstract entities. We must move toward a new way of life which is more human - and this, as it always does and has done, means and implies a small-ness. It means small communities. It means a living in harmony with Nature and other human beings. It means a more simple, manual, way of life. We should do this, even though it will involve us restraining our desire for material comfort and material goods and material wealth. That is, we must use our will, our reason, our judgement, to behave, to live, in a more human way because we accept that this is the human thing, the civilized thing to do. This itself involves us in evolving toward the next level - that is, it involves us in consciously changing ourselves, and developing, and living by, empathy. We can indeed do this - but whether we will do this is quite another matter.

The third simple thing we can do is strive to be honourable, and understand that honour means not only that we are responsible for ourselves but also requires empathy and indeed compassion. For honour is founded on the two other simple things, mentioned above. Honour implies real freedom, and real justice - the so-called "freedom" and so-called "justice" that nations and governments and tyrants bleat about and have bleated about for hundreds of years are, in reality, the oppression, the humiliation, the subjugation, of the individual to some abstract idea, or law, or tyrant or elite, and the "freedom" and the "law" which such systems and tyrants, and elites, create is always based upon some generalized - and inhuman - restriction, always involves a punitive notion of "punishment", and always involves some "appointed authority" having a bullying, dishonourable power over individuals.

Such, in brief, is my learning, born from my experiences, from the suffering I have caused, in others, and the suffering I have encountered and sometimes endured. Am I optimistic about us changing ourselves? Not as optimistic as I was. Will - can - words such as this change anything?

There is then that sigh of knowing
How not to know

David Myatt
JD2453308.757
16th day of the 10th lunar month, 4702
16th day of the 9th lunar month, 2547
30th day of October 2004 CE

[ibnmyatt]

This essay was originally found...

...on a computer somewhere on planet Earth.

Which proves zilch; nothing. Except maybe proving something about a certain person, who does seem somewhat obsessed.

You really should get out more - or go to the Zionist entity and fight for the people you seem to so dearly love and support.


"You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friends with and supporting those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam), even if they are their fathers or their sons or their kin-folk..." 58:22 Interpretation of Meaning

[omnipitus2006]

...on a computer somewhere on planet Earth.

Which proves zilch; nothing. Except maybe proving something about a certain person, who does seem somewhat obsessed.

Exactly! Just because it can be said on a computer doesn't make it true. Like your claims of being a muslim, and your several years of posting (talk about obsessed!!) Jihad rhetoric. Just because its there doesn't make it 'proven'.

Are you beginning to understand the difference, old man?

You really should get out more - or go to the Zionist entity and fight for the people you seem to so dearly love and support.

Careful now David, that looks a lot like an ad homimen. I know how objectionable you find those. ;-)

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ibn myatt is a MUSLIM

and

omnipitus2006 is a KAAFIR



that much is evident!

[omnipitus2006]

ibn myatt is a MUSLIM

Don't be so sure.

[ibnmyatt]

Like your claims of being a muslim,

Your years-long obsession is obvious to most here, as if your inability or your refusal to find that which contradicts your silly assumption, which is so easy to find, "out there".

Are you beginning to understand the difference, old man?

Are you beginning to understand just how foolish you look? You do not debate the topic under discussion, but just make personal accusations (and now personal insults, by e-mail). You, in your prejudice, ignorance and arrogance, so obviously have no understanding or appreciation of the simple, numinous, beauty of Al-Islam, or of the honour of the Muslims, which honour makes them to ignore such accusations from a kaffir, and a Zionist-loving kaffir at that who has praised the occupation of Palestine by the Zionist entity and who has insulted our beloved Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam).



"They [the kafiroon] want to extinguish Allah's Light with their deceit, their lies, but Allah will never allow this - for His Light will be seen even though they the Kafiroon hate (it). For it is He Who has sent His Messenger to reveal the Way of truth, to make it triumph over all other Ways even though they, the Mushrikûn, hate (it)." 9: 32-33 Interpretation of Meaning

[omnipitus2006]

Your years-long obsession is obvious to most here, as if your inability or your refusal to find that which contradicts your silly assumption, which is so easy to find, "out there".

There's quite a bit "out there", and as you admitted, it all amounts to zilch - or nothing. I really wouldn't care if you were a muslim if you weren't so obsessed with posting jihadist rhetoric. But since you do, and since your rhetoric extols the virtues of killing people like me and my family, you are a fair target.

Plus, I really enjoy it when you snip it all away, a tacit admission of the truth of what I imply.

Are you beginning to understand just how foolish you look?

I'm beginning to understand how foolish you are, telling me to find 'proof' of your muslimhood online, then dismissing online information as 'zilch'.

You do not debate the topic under discussion,

Now who's being foolish? I've already told you I agree with you on this topic. Islamic material can be used to justify terrorism. You get no debate from me on that one.

but just make personal accusations (and now personal insults, by e-mail). You, in your prejudice, ignorance and arrogance, so obviously have no understanding or appreciation of the simple, numinous, beauty of Al-Islam, or of the honour of the Muslims,

Actually I know many very honourable muslims. However *anyone* who calls for and justifies the murder of women and children, under whatever ideological umbrella they find convenient, can hardly be described as 'honourable'.

By reminding people of the very strong possibility that you are not a muslim, I am actually doing a lot more for muslim honour than a pretender posting jihadi rhetoric.

[ibnmyatt]

There's quite a bit "out there"

I always have found it interesting how reason seems to desert you and how you strive, with failure, to turn each argument around.

You have failed to find the type of proof of my Shahadah - the thing "out there" I have referred to several times - which a kaffir such as yourself might find interesting, and which anyone of any sagacity would agree amounts to proof, in terms of Al-Islam.

Why have you not found this? It is very simple to find, considering how much time you, a cyber-stalker by any other name, must have spent "pursuing me" over the years in your obsession to prove your assumptions about me are correct. Do you not want to find this? If you really are interested in the truth of the matter, you would surely have found it by now.

Now, you so conveniently ignore this, and move-on to something else, trying to obscure things by applying "out there" to other things, which "other things", as I wrote, amount to nothing: no proof whatsoever of your assumption(s). They amount to nothing because because it is one item on one computer, somewhere. But I see I have to explain things for you, yet again, in detail.

What you posted amounts to no proof whatsoever. Where is the proof I wrote it? Where is the proof, even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that I did write it, that it has not been altered in any way? Where is the proven connexion between me and this "Richard Stirling"? And so on.

In brief - you have no proof of your assumption. You have given no proof. You have yet again just made assumptions.

you are a fair target.

Since I do have something of a public profile, I have never said or written otherwise.

You, on the other hand, make personal comments, and assumptions about me, and Muslims, and make insulting comments about me and Islam while hiding behind anonymity, which as I have written on several occasions, does seem to imply something about your own character, and does make you fair game, in cyber-land.

Plus, I really enjoy it when you snip it all away, a tacit admission of the truth of what I imply.

Again, you make a rather silly assumption. What is snipped is snipped because it is irrelevant, or boring, or not worth replying to, or has already been replied to.

You can assume what you want about the motive for such snipping - but that is just what it is: your assumption.

I also can play this game - so I will assume your snipping of my mention of you insulting our beloved Prophet (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and your snipping of my mention of your insulting personal e-mail to me, is a "tacit admission" by you of your dishonourable character.

Islamic material can be used to justify terrorism.

Yet again to fail to understand or even appreciate the fundamental difference between the view of Al-Islam and the reductionist view of "the West" with its pejorative terms and abstractions such as "terrorism" and its arrogant claims to be the sole repository of "universal values" which abstractions and which values it projects onto Al-Islam in a vain attempt to understand Al-Islam, and which it insists we Muslims use and bow down to.

Honour derives from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala alone - and if we submit to only Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, if we strive to obey only Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, and if we act, according to Quran and Sunnah, out of a love for Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala and His Messenger (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) then we are being honourable. For Muslims, that is beginning, and the end, of the matter.

If in doing these things the kuffar call us "terrorists" then it is irrelevant. It is the judgement of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala which matters - not the judgement of the kuffar, or their "Courts of Law", and not the judgement of any individual kaffir such as yourself.


"Do they seek honour from the kuffar? In truth, honour is with, and from, Allah alone." 3: 139 Interpretation of Meaning