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    With the collapse of Ja'far Al Sadiq's empire in Iran and Ibn Hanbal's slow demise in Saudi Arabia, the tide is turning and the fictitous sects that emerged during the Abbasid Empire knows as the Sunni and Shia sects and others who follow man made revelations known as hadiths are slowly collapsing. Malik's Empire in Sudan is collapsing and Abu Hanifa's Empire in Pakistan is turning upside down. The so called Islamic states have proven to be ideologically obsolete and in the wrong side of history. The sects are on life support and the Koranist will take over. So who are the Koranist?

    The Koranist believe only the Koran should speak for Islam.

    WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND TODAY'S PRACTICES?


    In comparing the teachings of Islam as derived from the Book of God to the practices taught and enforced by the popular Sunni and Shia faiths (1.2 Bn followers), we find that the list is quite extensive, with some of the highlights as follows:

    In Islam, the requirement to be a Muslim is to simply accept and live according to the �Straight Path� (6:151-153), Vs. the Sunni or Shia 5-pillars which come from unauthorized books�

    In Islam, abolishing Slavery is taught to be an act of righteousness (90:12-13), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which encourages slavery under war�

    In Islam, women are never forbidden from praying or fasting during Menstruation (2:222), nor is there a specific dress code (i.e. the Headscarf) imposed on them beyond modesty, Vs. the Sunni and Shia which teach the undermining of women and forcing them to cover their hair and avoid praying or fasting at certain times...

    In Islam, a man or women may leave a Will, after settlement of debt (4:12), Vs. Sunnis who refuse to accept wills if there are any direct descendants...

    In Islam, Monogamy is the basis for normal relationships, while polygamy is only allowed in cases involving marrying the mothers of orphans under the man�s guardianship (4:3), Vs. Sunnis where a man may be a polygamist simply if he can afford to, and Shia which allow sex for pleasure (Mut�a)...

    In Islam, Divorce is enforceable only after a two-phase period, and it may be made nullified if the couple reconcile before the end of this period (65:1, 65:4), Vs. Sunni teachings that destroy families by allowing a divorce to occur on the spot with no waiting period and no nullification...

    In Islam, Thieves do not have their hands cut-off, but are made to work until they return that which is stolen (12:76), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings which brutally amputate the hands causing disability...

    In Islam, no one is allowed to be killed or Stoned for adultery (24:2), Vs. Sunni and Shia laws of stoning married adulterers to death...

    In Islam, absolute Freedom of Faith is allowed (2:256, 10:99; 18:29; 88:21-22), Vs. Sunni and Shia requiring apostates to be killed and rejecting the practice of other faiths...

    In Islam, people are acknowledged as being diverse and each is to be respected for his/her level of spiritual growth. A Submitter �Muslim� must work to attain the status of Faithful �Mumin� (49:14), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings that all followers of their religion must think, act, and even look the same (cult syndrome)...

    In Islam, War can only be declared in cases of self-defence - no offensives (2:190), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings allowing raids and attacks on any people who are considered non-Muslim by their standards...

    In Islam, Pilgrimage is a centre for gathering of nations and for all to witness the benefits of being together (22:27-28), Vs. Sunni and Shia bringing in polytheistic rituals and superstition (touching of black stone, circling 7 times, etc..)...

    In Islam, a Year is a luni-solar count made of 365-days (17:12, 9:36), with all the seasons fitting-in-place Vs. Sunnis teaching it to be a lunar one based on 354 days which creates confusion of seasons and time�

    In Islam, males and females are not required to be Circumcised (32:7), Vs. Sunni and Shia teachings requiring all males to be circumcised and females in some cases...

    In Islam, music, statues, gold and silk are all Lawful(7:32-33, 16:116), Vs. Sunni beliefs forbidding silk & gold for men, and forbidding music & statues for all...

    In Islam, rule of Government is under the constitution of the Qur'an through consultation and free-speech (5:48, 42:38). Vs. Sunni teachings which allow the rise of dictators or monarchs, and Shia teachings which uphold self-appointed religious leaders based on genealogy.

    The concept of the Sunnah was invented by Imam Al Shafi in his Risala treatise. It has the same place in Islam as the Talmud has on Judaism. Jesus condemned the Talmud and its followers the Pharisees in the Gospel and so did the Koran.

    Matt 15:1-3 "Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?"

    Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"

    The Koran confirmed Jesus and the Gospel regarding the blind followers of the Talmud who negated the Old Testament.

    Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

    The Koran condemned this:
    3.75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it

    In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.

    The Koran tells us about this and condemns this:

    5.32 On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land

    "According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

    "The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...

    On the eve of Passover Jesus was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of Passover. Ulla retorted: Do you suppose he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith (enticer), concerning whom Scripture says, "Neither shall thou spare nor shall thou conceal him?" With Jesus, however, it was different, for he was connected with the government. (Sanhedrin 43a)

    The koran tells us:

    4.157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

    Gehinom (Gehenna), according to rabbinic literature, is a place or state where the wicked are temporarily punished after death. Gehenna is sometimes translated as "hell", but the Christian view of hell differs from the Jewish view of Gehenna. Most sinners are said to suffer in Gehenna no longer than twelve months.Those who are too wicked to reach paradise are sometimes said to be punished forever.

    The Koran responds by:

    2.80 And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from God, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of God what ye do not know?"



    Al Shafi claimed in his risala the Koran is insufficient as a religious guide and said the Sunnah was in the hands of "specialist" and is unknown to the public.

    33. He asked: What is the second kind?

    34. Shafii replied: It consists of the detailed duties and rules obligatory on men, concerning which there exists neither a text in the Book of God, nor regarding most of them, a sunna. Whenever a sunna exists [in this case], it is of the kind related by few authorities, not by the public, and is subject to different interpretations arrived at by analogy.

    35. He asked: Is [legal knowledge on this kind as obligatory as the other, or is it not obligatory so that he who acquires such knowledge performs a supererogatory act, and he who neglects it falls not into error? Or, is there a third kind, derived from a narrative (khabar) or analogy?

    36. [Shafii] replied: There is a third kind [of knowledge].

    37. He asked: Will you explain it, give its source, and state what [portion] of it is obligatory, and on whom it is binding and on whom it is not binding?

    38. [Shafii] replied: The public is incapable of knowing this kind of knowledge, nor can all specialists obtain it. But those who do obtain it should not all neglect it. If some can obtain it, the others are relieved of the duty [of obtaining it]; but those who do obtain it will be rewarded.

    This bida' was intorduced in the era of the Abbasids to nullify the Koran. Prior to Al Shafi nobody heard of something called the Sunnah.

    "And certainly We have repeated for humankind, in this Quran, every kind of example, but the majority of humankind do not consent to anything but denying."(17:89)

    "A. L. R. These are the verses of a Book,- and a Qur'an that makes things clear. "(15:1)

    And certainly We have brought them a Book, which We have detailed with knowledge, a guidance and mercy for a people who believe(7:52)

    Thus do We make the revelations detailed for a people who reflect (10:24)

    "And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit."(16:89)

    These are verses of the Qur'an,-a book that makes (things) clear;"(27:1)

    In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.(12:111)

    Koran is peace!

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    What's the deal with all these murtaddeen and mushrik cults that have been invading the place lately? First Baha'is and now these so-called "submitters"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isma'eel View Post
    What's the deal with all these murtaddeen and mushrik cults that have been invading the place lately? First Baha'is and now these so-called "submitters"?
    Could be that anyone that is not an arab that reads hadeeth, thinks they are nothing btu superstitious fairy tales.
    or, people playing chinese whispers for 130 years with a bunch of jews.

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    Surah 110. An-Nasr (Succour, Divine Support)
    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
    1. When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
    2. And thou dost see the people enter Allah.s Religion in crowds,
    3. Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).





    You will see how islam will dominate the earth.

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    Satanist Jew: INFERNUS SATANUS LA DIABLOIS! SEPTIM IN ISLAMIS OBLITIERI!
    Satanist Jew: GO ON
    Satanist Jew: PROMOTE YOUR ISLAM
    Satanist Jew: WE WILL JUST TEMPT THEM TO THE SUNNI AND SHIA
    Satanist Jew: WE HAVE INFILTRATED MORE THAN YOU KNOW
    Satanist Jew: WE EVEN CORRUPT SUFISM WITH NIMATULLAHI, TIJANNIYAH, MOURIDISM, SUHRAWARDIYYA, AND UNIVERSALISM


    Satanist Jew: YOU ARE UNABLE TO GIVE UP DEMONIC IDOLATRY
    Satanist Jew: YOU ARE UNABLE TO GIVE UP WORLDLINESS
    Satanist Jew: IN THAT WE HAVE WON

    Satanist Jew: WORLDLINESS IS THE GATEWAY TO OUR ENTRY
    Satanist Jew: THE MATERIAL IS OURS
    Satanist Jew: YOU ARE A FOOL FOR TRUSTING THE MATERIAL
    Satanist Jew: THE PAGAN MATERIAL
    Satanist Jew: BLACK MAGICK WILL ENTER THE AHRIMANIC CONSCIOUSNESS INTO YOU

    Amazing what you can find out when you provoke jews!
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    Calm down and educate yourself. If you keep going like this then you will soon have to retake your shahada. Clearly you do not know what you're talking about, so just calm down and don't say something you will regret for eternity. You're new to islam so be humble and stop talking like you're some kind of authority in islam. May Allah guide us all.
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    {And is one who was dead and We gave him life and made for him light by which to walk among the people like one who is in darkness, never to emerge therefrom? Thus it has been made pleasing to the disbelievers that which they were doing.}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isma'eel View Post
    Calm down and educate yourself. If you keep going like this then you will soon have to retake your shahada. Clearly you do not know what you're talking about, so just calm down and don't say something you will regret for eternity. You're new to islam so be humble and stop talking like you're some kind of authority in islam. May Allah guide us all.
    I am mujahid.
    I am humble to those whom i am in agreement with.
    I am stern with those who i am in disagreement with.
    You claim i do not know what i am talking about, without providing evidence for your claims, other than character assassination, such as "you are new to islam", which is irrelevant, as the word being spoken is what is relevant.
    There is NO authority on islam, it is what it is.
    Trying to claim some sort of "uber-muslim" status, and then telling the "unter-muslims" to shut their face, is hardly something anyone is going to tolerate.
    You have to use words to back up your claims.
    Are you going to back up your claims?

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    Oh my......

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustralianRevert View Post
    Could be that anyone that is not an arab that reads hadeeth, thinks they are nothing btu superstitious fairy tales.
    or, people playing chinese whispers for 130 years with a bunch of jews.
    That's strange you just said in an other thread

    Quote Originally Posted by AustralianRevert View Post
    My interpretation of the Quran + some hadeeths, was that it was a responsibility of the husband to keep his wife happy(sexually).
    Can I ask how did you come to islaam ?
    Deeds are your money on the day of judgement , make sure you collect plenty now.


    Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allh) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner." (Al-Ahqaf 46:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umm Ahmed View Post
    That's strange you just said in an other thread



    Can I ask how did you come to islaam ?
    I got a hat, and put names of religions in it, i then pulled one out randomly, and said "i will now be this religion".

    i sure didnt' convert reading hadeeth.

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