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    Hi,

    I have a question to the board.

    Me and some friends has discussed what to do if we want to convert away from Islam, either into another religion, or beeing an atheist.

    best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by mika
    Hi,

    I have a question to the board.

    Me and some friends has discussed what to do if we want to convert away from Islam, either into another religion, or beeing an atheist.

    best regards
    Mika
    When you are becoming a muslim, you are getting into a contract of a kind. You take on the responsibility of obeying God, according to your ability, on at least the 5 pillars, and God takes it upon Himself to Grant you Paradise, to Forgive your shortcomings, to Guide you according to your own striving to be guided. Since this is not a simple contract which is to do with some sum of money, or some goods, and since this contract is between a human and the Creator of all that Exists, breaking the contract, will entail proportional fines. In an Islamic country, a person that openly becomes an apostate, is given a few days to think over, and if he is stubborn, he is to be executed. Now, in reality, this takes place very rarely, just as the stoning of the formerly married adulterers, because for this to take place, there have to be 4 witnesses who had witnessed the act of immorality. In fact, there is not a single recorded case of this happing in Islamic history.

    By the way, I think this is the same in christianity and judaism. Similarly, today in europe, if you dont believe in holocaust, or if you doubt the numbers, it is a crime for which you could be imprisoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mika
    Hi,

    I have a question to the board.

    Me and some friends has discussed what to do if we want to convert away from Islam, either into another religion, or beeing an atheist.

    best regards
    Mika
    Hi Mika , can you tell us if you are a muslim or not ?

    Thanks
    Deeds are your money on the day of judgement , make sure you collect plenty now.


    Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allh) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner." (Al-Ahqaf 46:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umm-Ahmed
    Hi Mika , can you tell us if you are a muslim or not ?

    Thanks

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    Dear Abdullah as-Shishani,

    Thank you very much for your answer.
    As I read you answer, in a Islamic contry, there would proberly be consequences by turning away from Islam, but in europe (from where I live) it can be safe to convert away from Islam it, is that correct?
    The reason that I ask is that I see that Christians here in Europe can convert away from christianity, if they want, and we really start to symphasize with that view on religion, meaning that people have to make its own choise in life without beeing forced by others, do you agree?

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    Hi Mika .

    If one was to leave Islam as Abdullah as shishani pointed out there is a punishment for that , wither your in a muslim country or not , the punishment remains the same and on top of that you will be earning Allaahs anger so your not safe at all.
    64:7, "The Unbelievers think that they will not be raised up (for Judgement). Say: 'Yea, by my Lord, Ye shall surely be Raised up: then shall ye Be told (the truth) of All that ye did. And that is easy for Allah.'"

    Islam teaches that a newborn has an innate ability to know and believe in his creator, and to understand good and evil. Muhammad (pbuh) stated: "Every child is born with the believing nature...it is his parents who make him into a Jew or a Christian." There is to be no force used to convert a non-believer to Islam. The Qur'ãn, , prohibits the use of compulsion to force a person or a society to accept Islam."Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Surely the Right Path is clearly distinct from the crooked path." Al Baqarah, 2:256.

    However, once a person freely "enters into the fold of Islam, the rules change." The word "Islaam" means "submission to the will of God." The Qur'ãn says that: "No believing man and no believing woman has a choice in their own affairs when Allaah and His Messenger have decided on an issue." (33:36)On the issue of apostasy, "Islaam clearly says: No! You cannot become an apostate.It is the most abhorrent of sins
    Islam is the only religion Allaah accepts from His slaves and the only religion He ordered His slaves to follow.
    Deeds are your money on the day of judgement , make sure you collect plenty now.


    Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allh) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner." (Al-Ahqaf 46:9)

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    Assalamu 'alaikum

    I'm sorry to hear that. But know this: Once you leave Islam, there is no coming back. Even if you spend the rest of your life fighting for the sake of Allah and die on that path, it will not be accepted of you.
    So think it over before you make any rash decisions. And get new friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mika
    Dear Abdullah as-Shishani,

    Thank you very much for your answer.
    As I read you answer, in a Islamic contry, there would proberly be consequences by turning away from Islam, but in europe (from where I live) it can be safe to convert away from Islam it, is that correct?
    The reason that I ask is that I see that Christians here in Europe can convert away from christianity, if they want, and we really start to symphasize with that view on religion, meaning that people have to make its own choise in life without beeing forced by others, do you agree?
    Freedom of religion is one of the cornerstones of our European society. Everyone is allowed to choose his religion based his own personal choice.

    If you want to change your religion, it is perfectly legal here. However, such choice should not be made without careful consideration. And I would advise anyone against changing religion before he/she reaches maturity.

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    Dear Umm-Ahmed,

    Thank you very much for your answer.

    In the meantime, I do not quit understand what you are saying:

    Quote: [I]wither your in a muslim country or not , the punishment remains the same and on top of that you will be earning Allaahs anger so your not safe at all.[/I]

    What do you mean by that I understand that a person will be earning Allaahs anger, but what additional punishment can be expected?

    Also, as Morbious writes, freedom of religion is very important in Europe, don't you think that this thinking should be adapted by Muslims living outside the Muslim world?

    Best regards
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    What I meant is that the punishment remains the same even if your in a non muslim country , just that its not carried out . Abdullah as-Shishani already stated that the person has to be executed and in your post numbered 3 you also stated that you know there would be consequences.

    I have already stated in my previous post what the stand is on freedom of religion , no one is to be forced to become a muslim , but leaving the fold of Islam is apostacy is a major sin. The muslim world is the whole of this earth we cant ignore parts of our faith because we are the minority , though in reality we dont have the authority to implement the sharia in certain areas .
    Deeds are your money on the day of judgement , make sure you collect plenty now.


    Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allh) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner." (Al-Ahqaf 46:9)

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