Hijabi vs Non-Hijabi

[Saiful Rahman Al Afghany]

[Knight]

LOL! thats funny.

[Um Ismail]

such disobedient flies, they ought to lower their gaze!

[salafiya]

Friend's translation of the top:
"You're not going to be able to stop them, but you could protect yourself. The ONE that made you knows whats best for you"

[Medean Heritage]

This is not aimed at the brother who started this thread, but I don't get the obsession with women in the Muslim world. It's as if the entire deen can be put on hold and the male-gender almost totally ignored (by mashaa'ikh and the Muslim community in general), but Hurumat there's always room for to critize and humiliate.

The other day my mother told me of two prominent mashaa'ikh (whose names shall remain unmentioned) who had said some disturbing things about Muslim, non-hijaabi, but still Muslim women. One of them compared them to the most repugnant of Qurayshi women (saaqitaat mutabarijah)- wa na'audhubillaah- and the other to (ugly) apes. The latter was reprimanded by a co-shaykh with the following words: "Shaykh these words do not suit some one of your status", may Allaah reward him.

And btw, while hijaab is prescribed, it's in no way a measure for akhlaaq or honour, just as the beard is not the tell-sign of a religiously comitted person. I've said it before and I'll say it again- some of the most honourable women I know are not covered hijaabis/niqaabis who have only recently got their act together, but rather traditional ghayr- muhajjabaat, who no one can come near without having some limb detached from the body.

Hijaab should act as the completion of deen and akhlaaq and not the foundation for it, otherwise you have a problem.

[Traveler]

Hijab/khimar and beard are not the same.

Stop complaining.

I have seen more dedicated men of faith, albeit Christian, as compared to bearded Muslim men that are not as dedicated. What's the difference?

You are certainly messed in the head if you are trying to justify not wearing the Hijab. It is not the fundamental, but it is amongst the fundamental acts a woman should aim to implement.

[petal]

Hijab/khimar and beard are not the same.

Stop complaining.

I have seen more dedicated men of faith, albeit Christian, as compared to bearded Muslim men that are not as dedicated. What's the difference?

You are certainly messed in the head if you are trying to justify not wearing the Hijab. It is not the fundamental, but it is amongst the fundamental acts a woman should aim to implement.

Stop being rude.

What a rude sounding post!

The sister posted: "It's in no way a measure for akhlaaq or honour, just as the beard is not the tell-sign of a religiously comitted person"

1) Hijab does not always equal akhlaaq/honour (meaning it is perfectably feasible for someone to possess akhlaaq/honour whilst not wearing the hijab - for whatever reason - that is not the discussion here)

2) Beard does not always equal religiously committed person. This does not need explaining.

Where is your problem with that?

Hijab and Beard are not the same but they have something in common: they are both outward indications of one's adherence to Islam. What's the point? That is all some people have because that is all they view the religion as.

I guess what the sister is saying in a nutshell is quite simply:

It is possible (although not desirable) to be a Muslimah without wearing a hijab.

If you wanted to be critical you should have pointed out that it is from the honour of a Muslimah that she wears the hijab so her not wearing the hijab detracts from her honour although she may still possess good character.

We can go back and forth all day about how we all know brothers and sisters who look the part but are not, what practical benefit is there in it for us? We have to make sure we are not one of them people.

I have seen more dedicated men of faith, albeit Christian, as compared to bearded Muslim men that are not as dedicated. What's the difference?

What's the difference between the night and the day?
The worst Muslim is better than the best Kaafir.

[Muneer88]

I've said it before and I'll say it again- some of the most honourable women I know are not covered hijaabis/niqaabis who have only recently got their act together, but rather traditional ghayr- muhajjabaat, who no one can come near without having some limb detached from the body.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hijaab is waajib Shar3ee , the One who created you have obligated you and all Muslim women to be Muttahajibaat.

Whether some of our Hijaab sisters are lacking akhlaaq and display some lack in that field is another story, but know very well, the good conduct that some muttabarijaat displays (women without hijaab) does not negate the fact that they disobey and neglect the obligation of Hijaab and therefore disobeying their Creator which is far worse than displaying some lack in akhlaq towards humans, but at least our Hijabi sisters obey their Creator due to their fear of Him (inshAllah) as well as lessening the fitnah in the soceity, whether they live in a Muslim or Non Muslim country.

Usually these kind of weak shaytaanic arguments, "oh i know some very very nice non hijaabis that are far better in akhlaq that hijabis..bla..bla", this is many times due to a feeling of guilt due to a family member being non hijabiya and shaytaan tries to justify this by coming up with these weak arguments that only serves shaytan and does not encourage improvement ,i.e start to wear Hijaab.

[Abu Treika]

wearing the hjab for a woman can only benefit her, period.

not wearing it can only harm her, period.

wether she has good character or not is not dependant on the hijaab even though it could play a part in it - thats obvious, and i doubt that the original post was ever supposed to be chauvanist

i think you missed a trick sister MH and over-reacted slightly

Allah knows best

[princesatriguena]

I like the pic, I think it's funny.... I love my hijab and I wear it but to each her own... I guess.. I just always make dua that all of my Muslim sisters will one day insha allah want to wear hijab for the sake of Allah(swt) and for no one else.. although it does make us very easily identifiable and therefore easy targets and prey for islamophobes and many of us hijabis/niqqabis are discriminated against on a daily basis... it takes alot of courage to wear hijab...

I admire all of my Muslim sisters and I can understand why some do not wear hijab... I give even more respect to my niqqabi sisters out there.... it's not easy... sometimes people forget that we have feelings cause they see a scarf on us... it doesn't block out hurt from insults and misconceptions and stereotypes... I always tell people randomly when I feel them starring in public.. " Guess what, I'm really naked under my abaya"... and leave them to wonder... but I mean it both literally and figuratively... obviously we are all naked under our clothes.. DuH!! LOL... but what of our hidden vulnerability?.... sometimes even our own Muslim brothers are a bit insensitive to our feelings and problems.... but that is an entirely different topic for another thread...