Question Tattoos

[muslim2atheist]

Tattoos are haram becos they cause pain and alter what god supposedly gave us i.e our bodies.

riddle me this then. why is going gym not haram then. you go gym to change your body ( loose fat or put muscle on) and it sure as hell is painfull when you are pushing for that last rep.

[Umm Ahmed]

We should be slim so that we can perform well in our lifes, with worship and running homes being over weight makes you sluggish and lazy.

Tatooing puts a permanent dye on your skin, it can't be removed without leaving a large raised scar. Most people I know had tatoos done when they were drunk, never heard of someone going to the gym just because they were drunk.

Your coming across as just a slob, someone who wants to do what he likes when he likes, which in the long run you will regret.

[muslim2atheist]

I wanted a Quranic explanation. You have just told me your view on tattoos. please read the question and understand it properly next time.

Again, how is going gym different to getting a tattoo in terms of trying to change the way you look and feeling pain for a period of time.

We should be slim so that we can perform well in our lifes, with worship and running homes being over weight makes you sluggish and lazy.

Tatooing puts a permanent dye on your skin, it can't be removed without leaving a large raised scar. Most people I know had tatoos done when they were drunk, never heard of someone going to the gym just because they were drunk.

Your coming across as just a slob, someone who wants to do what he likes when he likes, which in the long run you will regret.

[Hamza Patterson]

That's abit of a ludicrous question....even logically having a tatoo alters what was already given to you by Allaah (i.e. your body), nor does it benefit you.

Whilst going to the gym ENHANCES your body, given the potential to help preserve your body in a healthy state then just letting it deteriorate in bad health.

I hven't seen something clear cut in the quran in regards to keeping healthy, however the quran is not the only source for shari'ah law. We also have the authentic statements of the Messenger of Allaah (saw)

Now its prohibited in Islaam to have Tatoos because Allaah's Messenger (saw) said its forbidden.

It was narrated that Abu Juhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos, the one who has a tattoo done, the one who consumes riba (usury or interest) and the one who pays it, and he forbade the price of a dog and the earnings of a prostitute, and he cursed the image-makers.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5032)

Whilst Keeping healthy is encouraged.

The Messenger of Allaah (saw) said;

"Do not (impose) harm, nor (inflect) harm". He also said: "And your body has a right upon you".

also

Messenger of Allaah (saw) said: “The strong believer is better and more beloved to Allaah than the weak believer.” Narrated by Muslim, 6774.

So from this (and many other evidences of course) the scholars derive the ruling.

[muslim2atheist]

That's abit of a ludicrous question....even logically having a tatoo alters what was already given to you by Allaah (i.e. your body), nor does it benefit you.

yes it does. i think ti looks good on me which in turns gives me more confidence. thats a benefit right there. it is also self expression. Is self expression against islam?

Whilst going to the gym ENHANCES your body, given the potential to help preserve your body in a healthy state then just letting it deteriorate in bad health.

Umm... you could very easily hurt yourself in the gym. i know people who have bad shoulder and knees from going to the gym and lifting heavy. Also, why care about your health in this world? I thought it was only temporary anyway. I mean the real test begins only after death no?

I hven't seen something clear cut in the quran in regards to keeping healthy, however the quran is not the only source for shari'ah law. We also have the authentic statements of the Messenger of Allaah (saw)

Now its prohibited in Islaam to have Tatoos because Allaah's Messenger (saw) said its forbidden.

It was narrated that Abu Juhayfah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos, the one who has a tattoo done, the one who consumes riba (usury or interest) and the one who pays it, and he forbade the price of a dog and the earnings of a prostitute, and he cursed the image-makers.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5032)

Whilst Keeping healthy is encouraged.

The Messenger of Allaah (saw) said;

"Do not (impose) harm, nor (inflect) harm". He also said: "And your body has a right upon you".

also

Messenger of Allaah (saw) said: “The strong believer is better and more beloved to Allaah than the weak believer.” Narrated by Muslim, 6774.

So from this (and many other evidences of course) the scholars derive the ruling.

So why is it declared haram? it gives no reason which cannot be iplied in other activities.

[Hamza Patterson]

Muslim2atheist...you can either be sincere in the quest for knowledge, or you can continue to go with your whims and desires (as you're already doing), in which case would be no point in discussing this topic with you.

"yes it does. i think ti looks good on me which in turns gives me more confidence. thats a benefit right there. it is also self expression. Is self expression against islam?"

Yes it is, if it totally contradicts what Islam dictates.

Now in Islam we believe Allaah is one and has no partner, he has sent messengers throughout history to spread that messege.

The last of them is Muhammad ibn Abdullaah (saw) and that the Qur'an was the miracle he was sent with to prove his prophethood to & for the whole of mankind till the day of judgement.

Now logically and rationally we can prove this with evidences provided. Once that is proven, whatever Allaah and his Messenger has to be accepted, whether you disagree or not.

Why?

1-Allaah exists

2-Allaah knows all and sees all..

3-Humans obviously do not

4-Therefore humans should then refer to a higher authority then themselves.

Now before you make a stupid comment (But Muhammad was a human!)

He was the Messenger of Allaah, so whatever he said, approved and acted upon was revelation.

وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىإِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ وَحْي ٌ يُوحَى


Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

Rather it is revelation that is revealed to him. (An-Najm 53:3-4)

also his wife described him as 'The walking Qur'an'

So if you have any objections to Islam or the qur'an then this is another thread in itself, for you need to come forward to evidences to suggest the Qur'an is not from Allaah.

"Umm... you could very easily hurt yourself in the gym. i know people who have bad shoulder and knees from going to the gym and lifting heavy. Also, why care about your health in this world? I thought it was only temporary anyway. I mean the real test begins only after death no?"

That doesn't make a difference.

Tatoos has been explicity forbidden in hadith.

Keeping fit hasn't, rather encouraged.

You can damage yourself eating too much fast food, and potentially get high blood pressure. Does that mean fast food is haram?

Obviously things needs to be balanced in life and Islaam always tells you to be balanced and not to go to either extreme.

We care about health in this world because it would help us to practice some aspects of Islaam more efficiently. (there are other reasons)

If someone is unhealthy or unfit they may not able to

-Look after their family better than they could be by being healthy

-Able to do hajj

-Fight Jihad for the sake of Allaah

these are just examples btw, they're probably more better examples that other brothers could mention.

Also just because this life is temporary deosn't mean you won't be tested.

Or what's the point in being on earth in the first place if we won't be tested?

How would we know the difference between someone who has absolute servitude to Allaah to someone who doesn't?

We have been created to worship Allaah, and with that tests will come to see who is better in piety.


"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe," without being put to the test?" [29:2]

[Awakened]

if he wants to believe or wants reasons to believe he should open his heart and supplicate to Allah and ask for guidance. But of course he does not have the courage or sincerity to do that so he will remain misguided.

[muslim2atheist]

if he wants to believe or wants reasons to believe he should open his heart and supplicate to Allah and ask for guidance. But of course he does not have the courage or sincerity to do that so he will remain misguided.

I have the courage to question what was brainwashed into me the day i was born. You know a maulwi recitated the azaan into my ear. My parents have photos. So sir, with all due respect, I am much more courageous then you ever will be. You don't have the courage to question god, angels, quran and the jinns.

[BarelyBreathing]

I wanted a Quranic explanation.

Why? You don't believe in the Qur'an. You even told someone in your other thread to not quote it to you. Now you want one?

[muslim2atheist]

Why? You don't believe in the Qur'an. You even told someone in your other thread to not quote it to you. Now you want one?

i wanted to know the distinction as described , not that i believe in it.