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Hadeeth about 'Adams' and evolution.

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    Default Hadeeth about 'Adams' and evolution.

    Ibn Arabi wrote in Futuhat al-Makkiyyah Vol.3:607: 'I recollected the saying of Holy Prophet to the effect that God has created hundred and thousands of Adams and between each Adam there is a period of seventeen hundred years.'[10]

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    http://www.metanexus.net/magazine/Ar...8/Default.aspx

    Does anyone know of this hadeeth.

    Of course, the clever Muslim who understands the philosophy of science would know that evolution wouldn't contradict the religion, provided one understand historical events related byd ivine text and natural history aswelll as the prupose/limits of science.

    ( pls, no replies like ' duhhh you errr tryna say errr my dad was a monkey duhhh errr).


    If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
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    this doesnt sound right

    i have read many hadith about Adam, and read many ayats of Adam, not ONCE does Allah or in deed his messenger (peace be upon him) ever say more then one adam was created.

    He was the first man, and Hawa was created from him.

    Refer to Ibn Katheer's stories of the prophets. He present many hadith on how adam is made of dust. nothing or no where does it say adam evolved.

    this is all garbage, evolution is flawed.

    it seems like this author is saying that Allah could not create adam as a man and need him to evolve.

    ALSO, he makes it seem like WE humans are perfect? are we? really?

    if that was the case, wouldnt we be angels?

    not even the Messengers of Allah were saved from make small errors. because its human to err

    Allah always calls us CHILDREN OF ADAM, not CHILDREN OF ADAMS

    Evolution between spieces is fine, thats called adaptation. for example, we have brown bears in forests, and white (polar) bears at the north pole. why? because they adapted to the environment. and this is how Allah created them!

    as for evolution between one species to another, this is absolutely baseless and no evidence to proove this. until u find me a monkey with wings, i will never agree

    Also, you can find many hadith in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim where Adam is addressed as FATHER of Makind. not FAthers


    Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (Aali Imran 3:59)


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    Remember that the books of the sufis like Ibn 'Arabi etc. are crammed full of "ahadith" that are either extremely weak or have no basis at all. The only reason that they are so widely accepted among certain circles is due to their blind devotion and following of people like Ibn 'Arabi etc. so they accept everything that is written by them. (I.e. They will say things like: "Well, ash-Shaykh al-Akbar Muhyid-Din Ibn 'Arabi wrote it, so it must be true! Are you saying that he was ignorant or something? Do you know more than him?") La hawla wa-la quwwata illa billah.

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    so this guy is basically saying there were many adam's ('alayhi as-sallam) and so where they all Prophets as well?
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    is this the same Ibn Arabi', the spanish sufi "scholar"?

    subhanAllah, can we really accept anything from him?

    wasnt he the one that would say "Glory be to me" and that Allah is in each of us?

    I thought the br was refering to another ibn arabi? because there's another one right?

    this is what some1 told me once anyway :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by abu imaan an-nepalee View Post
    so this guy is basically saying there were many adam's ('alayhi as-sallam) and so where they all Prophets as well?
    so would that mean there were many Hawas? (may Allah be pleased with her)

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    lol.

    Good question. If their was so many created Adams they must be sterile.

    I difinetely came from the progeny of the first man.

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    lol,

    pls be careful in how you read things

    lets understand the hadeeth first, if its from the Prophet.

    Imran please go to www.islamtoday.com

    ( im gonna have a bad repution as an evolutinist here 'oye you know that asharee_salafi guy, he's proper mashed up cos he accepts evolution!!' )


    Who is to say that before Allah put Adam AS one earth that there were no beings similar to humans?

    The creation of Adam was a historical event, narrated by divine texts, hence science, by its nature says nothing about it.

    Who is to say that before Adam AS there were no other species and Allah inserted Adam into the record of species?

    The point being is that we believe in combustion theory right? we beleive that fire burns,

    yet wait!

    Ibraheem AS was in the fire but he didn't burn...this is because this was ahistorical event narated by divine text, it was alsoa miracle, but why should Muslims now refute combustion theory...

    Like wise why should a Muslim refute fluid dynamics?
    Musa AS had Allah to split the sean for him, that was a hitorical event , a miracle narated by divine text.

    Remember as Muslims lets not be simple minded, Allah created however he chooses.
    Sure evolution can be wrong, but it can equally be right.

    And has no impact upon aqeedah.
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    Of course, the clever Muslim who understands the philosophy of science would know that evolution wouldn't contradict the religion, provided one understand historical events related byd ivine text and natural history aswelll as the prupose/limits of science.
    first of all, summarise your current views on evolution



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    Quote Originally Posted by asharee_salafi View Post
    lol,

    pls be careful in how you read things

    lets understand the hadeeth first, if its from the Prophet.

    Imran please go to www.islamtoday.com

    ( im gonna have a bad repution as an evolutinist here 'oye you know that asharee_salafi guy, he's proper mashed up cos he accepts evolution!!' )
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    why do u want me to go to that site?

    please send me the link for the hadith

    Jazaka'Allahu khayrn

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