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    Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

    I am in need of help, authenticating a particular hadith which is used frequently by scholars in various written works but the reference seems to always be different and wondered if this can be cleared up.

    The Hadith itself is in the following forms:

    "Whoever imitates a group, then he is from amongst them"
    *has been derived from two famous books of ahadeeth 'Mishkaat' and 'Abu Dawood' and is narrated by Hadhrat Ibn Umar (R.A).

    "Whoever /imitates/resembles a people/nation is one of them."
    *Liqa al-Baab al-Maftooh, q. 1085.
    *Recorded by Abu Dawud
    *Reported by Imaam Ahmad
    *Musnad Ahmad vol. 2, no. 50. Authenticated by Shaikh al-Albanee in Saheeh al-Jami as-Sageer.
    *Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3512; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
    * Majmoo al-Fataawa, 22/154.

    "Whoever resembles a people, he is one of them"
    *Mitsnad [Musnad] Ahmad, 2/50 Abu Dawood with a hadeeth of good narration #4031. It has been authenticated by al-Albaanee in Saheeh al-Jami' #6149 [3rd edition] taken from 'Imitation of the Kuffar' [or here] by Dr. Nasr Al-Aql.

    I see in some splended and noble writings, one for example: "It is reported that the Prophet Muhammad (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: "Whoever imitates a people, then he is one of them. (Related by Ahmad and Abu Dawood)" [1] but this as a reference isn't good enough for me personally.

    See my problem? These are the same hadith just translated different but the references don't make sense. I truly hope someone can help. I have not found them at MSA-USC Hadith Database.

    Additionally, and relating, their is also this:

    Differ from the idolaters.
    *Saheeh al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim and others.

    Differ from the jews.
    *Abu Dawood

    Differ from the Zoroastrians.
    *Saheeh Muslim and others

    Surely their are better specific references than this?

    Can anyone help?

    Shukran

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    Quote Originally Posted by alghayb View Post
    Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
    Walaikum Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatu


    Akhi,

    I believe it is from number 4020 of book 27 of Sunan Abu Dawud.

    The section refers to the wearing of clothes.

    Wa Alaikum as-Salaam

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibnmyatt View Post
    Walaikum Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatu


    Akhi,

    I believe it is from number 4020 of book 27 of Sunan Abu Dawud.

    The section refers to the wearing of clothes.

    Wa Alaikum as-Salaam
    Akhi, Shukran for this informatin. So, what is with all those other references? I do not understand this. I have had a look on your advise and found it under 'Book 32, #4020', '' where it states:

    "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who copies any people is one of them." - Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 32, #4020 - Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar. [1]

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    Quote Originally Posted by alghayb View Post
    I have had a look on your advise and found it under Book 32, #4020
    Assalam Alaikum

    I believe the difference here - whether it is Book 27 or 32 - is in whether or not Kitab Al-Salat is taken as one book, or is sub-divided into several books. The numbers of the Ahadith remain the same.

    Thus, if Kitab Al-Salat is so sub-divided, then Kitab Al-Libas is Book 32. If it is not so sub-divided, Kitab Al-Libas is Book 27.
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