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Releasing prisoners; Some serious Food for thought

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    As salaamu alaykum Wr

    I wanted to give my input on this after hearing about the 2 (Kaafir) prisoners released by force last week. For those who don't know; One of was a 'Cat A' prisoner charged with murder and described as 'dangerous'. He was released after the prison van taking him from prison to court was ambushed by 3 armed men and the guard forced to open the door.

    Another prisoner (few days later) stabbed himself in a prison. Not knowing the real motive, prison guards escorted him to the hospital A&E for treatment. When they got there, again they were ambushed by a gunman and forced to release the handcuffs etc.

    My point ? I'm not saying we start carrying out raids on prison vans escorting brothers convicted for 'terrorism' and/or on remand. I want you to look at the fact look how much planning, effort and sacrifice people are willing to put despite being on baatil/falsehood.

    The prisoners who were released last week by their mates were just your common criminals. Trying to live 'life to the max' and most likely engaging in all the evil you can think of out there. But their mates (with a similar mentality) are willing to risk everything for their release. As you can imagine, it's not easy to do what they did. Even the police said it was 'meticulously planned'.

    So why can't we have the same zeal and enthusiasm despite knowing we are on the haqq ? Knowing our brothers are INNOCENT and not guilty of any real crime. Knowing the important of releasing Muslim capitives etc etc. Again, am not saying we do anything illegal. Am talking about legal ways. Surely if the kuffar can put in sacrifice and effort, we can do the same if not more.

    Wallahul musta'an

    PS: I hesitated for a long time before posting this incase it comes across as condoning illegal activity (which am not) but thought I'd bite the bullet on this cold Saturday evening. I hope you get my point Inshallah.

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    @ rep: Am guessing that's a rhetorical question. lol alhamdulillah alaa kulli 7aal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Khattab View Post
    As salaamu alaykum Wr


    My point ? I'm not saying we start carrying out raids on prison vans escorting brothers convicted for 'terrorism' and/or on remand. I want you to look at the fact look how much planning, effort and sacrifice people are willing to put despite being on baatil/falsehood.
    Asalaamu Alaykum,

    Actually brother I used to work in the prison system, it's actually not quite that difficult, quite easy but the reason why its not so common, is that once the guy gets released thats it there is no way he can go back home EVER
    So unless they have a plane waiting for him to take him across the border its quite pointless, and most of them get caught anyway. Unless of course he had the attitude of " what the heck I'm guilty for not doing anything so I might as
    well go and do what I have been accused of" then thats another story and then maybe he can walk back to his jail cell after his finished his "crime", with no need for another trial.

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    @ rep: Your wish can be turned into reality if you put in the effort and have tawakkul in Allah SWT. It's win-win for us, a 2 way victory, bi'idhnillah.

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    Asalaamu Alaykum,

    Actually brother I used to work in the prison system, it's actually not quite that difficult, quite easy but the reason why its not so common, is that once the guy gets released thats it there is no way he can go back home EVER
    So unless they have a plane waiting for him to take him across the border its quite pointless, and most of them get caught anyway. Unless of course he had the attitude of " what the heck I'm guilty for not doing anything so I might as
    well go and do what I have been accused of" then thats another story and then maybe he can walk back to his jail cell after his finished his "crime", with no need for another trial.
    Wa alaykumus salaam Wr

    Not easy bro ... You cannot see the inside of a prison van so how would you know which one your 'mate' is inside in ? Plus, to get people who are actually up for it, is not easy. One needs a lot of courage, enthusiasm and zeal to do such things.

    But anyways, am not saying we do anything like that. It would be highly illegal. I just want people to channel their enthusiasm, zeal, courage etc into legal ways in which we can release prisoners.

    Let's not forget the words of rasulullah SAW:

    It has been narrated by Saeed through his chain from Hibban bin Jabalah, that the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) said: Indeed it is obligatory upon the Muslims to free their captives or to pay their ransoms.



    The Messenger of Allah (SAWS) wrote a letter advising the Muhajireen and Ansar: To restrain the enemy soldiers in their fortresses and to free the Muslim captives with goodness.

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    What is halaal (legal) or haraam (illegal) is determined only by Allah and His Messenger SAW. We should obey Allah by refraining from what He has made impermissible for us and by doing what He has made obligatory on us, whoever stays away from what Allah has forbiden and meets their obligations to Him they will never be from the loosers and will be among the successful.

    And we should all fear Allah more regarding the rights of Allah and our brothers and sisters...

    May Allah release all of the prisoners and may he rectify us and makes us steadfast on this religion. ameen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isimsiz View Post
    What is halaal (legal) or haraam (illegal) is determined only by Allah and His Messenger SAW. We should obey Allah by refraining from what He has made impermissible for us and by doing what He has made obligatory on us, whoever stays away from what Allah has forbiden and meets their obligations to Him they will never be from the loosers and will be among the successful.

    And we should all fear Allah more regarding the rights of Allah and our brothers and sisters...

    May Allah release all of the prisoners and may he rectify us and makes us steadfast on this religion. ameen.
    Aameen

    Just to add to this, one problem I've noticed especially in the elders is they see the 'legal stuff' as halal and 'illegal stuff' as haraam. And who determines legal/illegal ? It's the kufr constitution ... When one 'uncle' told me the UK was 'Darul-Amaan' - I had to hold back my laugh!

    But what is even more sad is the double standards. As in these people will often do things which go against the 'book'. ie the law. It could be the smallest of things like driving a short distance without insurance (which is illegal) but then if you sincerely believe going against kufr law is haraam and you will be held accountable then why do you do this ?

    I find that confusing. Khayr Inshallah - We ask Allah SWT to guide us all.

    End of the day though instead of going on about others I think we really need to take a long hard look at ourselves. Especially the fit healthy men (people like me alhamdulillah) ... Is writing letters to prisoners the MOST we can do ?! Really ?! Will we be able to stand infront of Allah azza wajal and justify ourselves whilst we see what is going around us right now in the dunya. Subhanallah ... I've nothing against that btw and I write letters myself and am sure there is reward in it Inshallah but surely that can't be the most we can do.

    Wallahul musta'an
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    Currently, a Muslim prisoner in Falasteen has been on hunger strike for dozens of days and they say he is in critical condition - may Allah give him sabr and make it easy for him.

    Not long ago, when the illegal state of Israel released hundreds of brothers and all (if not, most) female Muslim prisoners - Was it because of lobbying, petitions, demonstrations etc.

    It's not rocket science, ikhwaan ... Wa billahi tawfeeq.

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    asalaamu alaykum waRahmatullahi waBarakaatuh


    You are correct Ibn Khattaab, if non muslims do illegal things to free their prisoners, then we shouldn't be afraid to use the legal means to support them.

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