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Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

This is a discussion on Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani within the Personalities and Biographies forums, part of the Muslim History category; Salam Initially, I was going to title this thread as: Sheikh Al-Albani and Making "Authentic & Weak" Out of Classical ...

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    Default Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    Salam

    Initially, I was going to title this thread as:
    Sheikh Al-Albani and Making "Authentic & Weak" Out of Classical Texts
    in the Hadith section. But I realised the issue is more broader than that.

    I know Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah absolutely hated the above. Obviously, Deobandis are on his side.

    I believe that al-Albani was not wrong in his various works of this nature, like Saheeh and Da'eef 'l-Adab al-Mufrad, etc.

    What are the thought of the knowledgeable brothers and sisters on IA? Is AFAG's criticism valid? Or is it OTT and mere bias against him?

    This thought of this thread was triggered to in my head by a story of al-Haakim al-Shaheed, a Hanafi scholar and how he was martyred. I am really busy and I would be grateful if someone can locate it and post it, then make the relevant connection to the above text in bold.

    Also, the other issues of Aqeedah and their rebuttals and counter-rebuttals of one another can be analysed here.

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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    The argument Shaykh al-Albani brings against him is that hi sown teacher, al-Kawthari, openly declares muttafaqun 'alayhi ahadeeth weak, and yet he doesn't say a word with respect to that. Allahu Alam
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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    Quote Originally Posted by Abuz Zubair View Post
    The argument Shaykh al-Albani brings against him is that hi sown teacher, al-Kawthari, openly declares muttafaqun 'alayhi ahadeeth weak, and yet he doesn't say a word with respect to that. Allahu Alam
    really?

    قَال

    :مُحَمَّد بْن بَدْرِ اَلدِّينِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اَلْقَادِرِ بْنِ بَلْبَانَ الْخَزْرَجِيُّ اَلْقَادِرِيُّ, اَلْحَنْبَلِيُّ

    اِجْعَلُوا اَلنَّوَافِلَ كَالْفَرَائِضِ, وَالْمَعَاصِي كَالْكُفْرِ, وَالشَّهَوَاتِ كَالسُّمِّ, وَمُخَالَطَةَ اَلنَّاسِ كَالنَّارِ, وَالْغِذَاءَ كَالدَّوَاءِ

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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    From at-Tahawi

    Kalimat fi Kashf Abatil wa Iftira’at by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah
    June 25, 2009 by Bilal Ali Ansari

    In a previous post, we uploaded the book Jawab al-Hafiz Mundhiri and claimed that the small risalah, Kalimat fi Kashf Abatil wa Iftira’at was appendixed to the end of it.

    It turns out that although the uploaded edition of the book includes the appendix, the pdf version excluded it.

    I have therefore uploaded the treatise separately. It is basically a response by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah to accusations leveled against him by Shaykh Nasir al-Din Albani in the foreword to his edited edition of Sharh al-’Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah.

    Kalimat fi Kashf Abatil wa Iftira’at
    then
    Kashf al-Niqab ‘amma fi Kalimat Abi Ghudda min al-Abatil wa ‘l-Iftira’at by Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Albani
    June 26, 2009 by Bilal Ali Ansari

    Since we have been posting material about the contention that existed between the two great hadith scholars of the past century, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah and Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Albani, and the rebuttal of Shaykh Abu Ghuddah was just posted recently, I thought it only fair to upload Shaykh Albani’s response as well.

    Admittedly, Shaykh Albani’s response is harshly worded and speaks ill of his ability to separate emotional sentiment from academic writing. At the same time, it at least tells parts of the story of their rift from his perspective.

    Personally, I feel that such matters should be left alone and should be understood under the context of the common rule of Jarh wa Ta’dil that the criticism of contemporaries should not be given much weight. At the same time, it is also a stern warning for us to avoid unnecessary polemics, as it inevitably leads to name-calling and unacademic, tangential argumentation.

    Kashf al-Niqab ‘amma fi Kalimat Abi Ghudda min al-Abatil wa ‘l-Iftira’at
    Obviously, calls for neutrality and not being argumentative are announced after Albani refuted Abu Ghuddah, but not when Abu Ghuddah refuted Albani.

    Typical Deobandi bias.

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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    Quote Originally Posted by Abuz Zubair View Post
    The argument Shaykh al-Albani brings against him is that his own teacher, al-Kawthari, openly declares muttafaqun 'alayhi ahadeeth weak, and yet he doesn't say a word with respect to that.
    Most Deobandis mention that Albani was evil (May Allah protect us) in the sense that he challenged the two Sahih. However, these very same Deobandis conveniently ignore what al-Kawthari did.

    Here is a research on the Seerah of al-Kawthari in the discipline of Hadith and the scholars of Hadith. It is by a lecturer at Umm 'l-Quraa University Makkah, Muhammad bin Ali bin Salih al-Ghamidi:
    مصنفوا الكتب المسندة في ميزان الكوثري

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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    Can someone post up the specifics of al-Kawthari's weakening of the mutafaqat 'alayh?

    Jazakumullahu khairan in advance
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    قال إبن عمر: "ولا يكن في قولك فضل على فعلك" ,أخرج البيهقي: شعب الإيمان وابن حجر العسقلاني: الإصابة في تمييز الصحابة

    Ibn 'Umar said: "And do not let your words be in excess to your actions", Al-Baihaqi: Shu'ab al-Imaan and Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: Al-Isaabah fee Taymeez as-Sahaaba



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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu'l Eyse View Post
    Can someone post up the specifics of al-Kawthari's weakening of the mutafaqat 'alayh?

    Jazakumullahu khairan in advance
    He weakened the hadith of the slave-girl in Muslim, from what I recall. Sorry, no specifics.

    As for the issue of dividing the Sunan and other such works into Sahih and Da'if, personally, I don't like it, but I don't see anything wrong with it.

    It is not much different than Tahdhib or Ikhtisar, in which authors take works and rearrange the materials to their liking to suit a certain purpose.

    Personally, I think the recent prints that combine Albani's Sahih/Da'if back into one version with his grades is much more practical and useful, as the separate Sahih/Daif volumes separate materials that are best viewed together.
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    يقول العلامة الغماري :
    وهكذا ردَّ أحاديث جماعة من رجال الصحيحين بالتدليس والعنعنة ، مع كون تلك الأحاديث مخرجة في الصحيحين أيضا ، كأحاديث هشيم ، وسعيد بن أبى عروبة ، وقتادة ، والأعمش ، وأبى إسحاق السبيعي ، وبقية بن الوليد وآخرين أ هـ ([10])
    From here:

    ظ…طµظ†ظپظˆط§ ط§ظ„ظƒطھط¨ ط§ظ„ظ…ط³ظ†ط¯ط© ظپظٹ ظ…ظٹط²ط§ظ† ط§ظ„ظƒظˆط«ط±ظٹ - ط¬ط§ظ…ط¹ط© ط£ظ… ط§ظ„ظ‚ط±ظ‰
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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    This is what happens when your heart goes blind:
    ثم يأتي بعد ذلك بقول مُحدَثٍ مضمونَه هدمٌ للسنن والآثار
    إذ يقول في النكت (ص 57) - بعد أن ذكر ما ثبت في الصحيحين
    أن رجلا جاء إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم منى فقال : حلقت قبل أن أذبح فقال : اذبح ولا حرج ، وجاء آخر فقال : ذبحت قبل أن أرمي قال : إرم ولا حرج - يقول الكوثري بكل وقاحة وجرأة :
    إن هؤلاء السائلين مجاهيل في هذه الروايات أ.هـ
    فمن هؤلاء السائلون إلا صحابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم .
    يقول العلامة الغماري :
    فهذا كما تراه خرق لاجماع العقلاء والمسلمين في آن واحد ، فإن العقل بالضرورة يقضي أنه لا دخل لإبهام السائلين والجهل بهم في الرواية ، لأنهم ليسوا بنقله ، إنما ذكروا في الخبر سائلين…
    You could make a whole separate thread on the 'laa manhajiyya' of al-Kawthari. How humiliating for the Deobandis to take such a worthless man as a reference point.

    Advice to the Maulanas: stick to your own 'bezurg'. They left you with more than enough issues to have to deal with.
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    Default Re: Sheikh Abd 'l-Fattah Abu Ghuddah al-Halabi & Sheikh Nasir 'l-Deen al-Albani

    The Deobandis are very appealed by the triad:

    Al-Kawthari - Abu Ghuddah - M. Awwaamah.

    Any academia they can bring up in terms of Hadith (apart from Sharh 'l-Hadith) is mainly down to these three personalities.

    Deobandis - to this day - still think that their works stand to refute the Hanaabilah. This is the self-delusion they are in.

    Muhammad Awwaamah is the one who wrote أثر الحديث الشريف في اختلاف الأئمة الفقهاء. This is a book that passed around the Deobandis worldwide as if it is the final Hujjah against all the Salafiyyah. The reality, however, is that it a convoluted attempt to justify the Mathabistic Taqleed of Deobandis. Just look at the title of the book: "The Effect of Hadith on the Divergence of the Jurist Imams" - as if it is Hadih per se that is responsible for the differences of opinion in the Ummah. As a brother on the Arabic Multaqa said: This title is Ghayr Muwaffaq.

    Mutual deception and self-deception between the triad and the Deobandis if you ask me...

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