Important A new kind of Jarh on Imam Abu Haneefah

Discussion in 'Identity, Activism and Unity' started by أبو موسى عبدالمقيت, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. Assalam o alaykum,


    A new kind of Jarh has started on Imam Abu Haneefah in some 'Salafi' circles. Read this:

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    · حدثنا نعيم بن حماد قال حدثنا الفزاري قال كنت عند سفيان فنعى النعمان فقال الحمد لله كان ينقض الاسلام عروة ما ولد في الاسلام أشأم منه

    “Ibrahim ibn Muhammad Al-Fazari narrated to us: We were with Sufyan Ath-Thawri when we received the news of the death of Abu Hanifah, and he said: “Al-Hamdulillah, The One who relieved the Muslims from him, he was destroying the chains of Islam, one by one. None was born in Islam more ill-omened than him”[1]


    · حدثني أحمد بن محمد بن يحيى بن سعيد القطان، ثنا أبو نعيم، قال: كنا مع سفيان جلوسا في المسجد الحرام فأقبل أبو حنيفة يريده فلما رآه سفيان قال: «قوموا بنا لا يعدنا هذا بجربه»

    Once Sufyan at-Thawri (rah) was sitting, he saw Abu Hanifah coming and then he said to his Companions “ Get up, otherwise he would affect us with his itch (means Bid’ah) “[2]

    · - حدثني محمد بن عمرو بن عباس الباهلي، ثنا الأصمعي، قال: قال سفيان الثوري «ما ولد مولود بالكوفة أو في هذه الأمة أضر عليهم من أبي حنيفة»

    Sufyan at Thawri (rah) said “No one was born more evil in this Ummah and in Kufa more than Abu Hanifah”[3]

    · أخبرنا ابن رزق أخبرنا جعفر بن محمد بن نصير الخلدي حدثنا محمد بن عبد الله بن سليمان الحضرمي حدثنا أحمد بن الحسن الترمذي قال سمعت الفريابي يقول سمعت الثوري ينهى عن مجالسة أبي حنيفة وأصحاب الرأي

    Sufyan at Thawri (rah) used to forbid to sit in the Majlis of Abu Hanifah and the People of Opinion.[4]


    · أخبرنا أبو بكر أحمد بن علي بن عبد الله الزجاجي الطبري حدثنا أبو يعلى عبد الله بن مسلم الدباس حدثنا الحسين بن إسماعيل حدثنا أحمد بن محمد ابن يحيى بن سعيد حدثنا يحيى بن آدم حدثنا سفيان بن سعيد وشريك بن عبد الله والحسن بن صالح قالوا : أدركنا أبا حنيفة وما يعرف بشيء من الفقه وما نعرفه إلا بالخصومات

    Sufan at Thawri said about Abu Hanifa:He knew nothing of fiqh.[5]


    · أخبرنا أبو سعيد محمد بن موسى الصيرفي حدثنا أبو العباس محمد بن يعقوب الأصم حدثنا محمد بن علي الوراق حدثنا مسدد قال سمعت أبا عاصم يقول: ذكر عند سفيان موت أبي حنيفة فما سمعته يقول: رحمه الله ولا شيئاً ، قال: الحمد لله الذي عافانا مما ابتلاه

    Upon Abu Hanifa’s death Sufyan at Thawri did not say rahimaullah rather he said Alhumdulillah.[6]



    [HR][/HR][1] Tarikh Shageer 2/97,this is from Nu’am bin Hammad who is Thiqah according to yahya bin maeen rahimaullah.His narrations are even present in Bukhari (3560,6652).This narration is authenticated by Shaykh Muqbil bin Hadi Al Wadee rahimaullah in Nasharus Saheefa pg 318-319

    [2] Kitab us Sunnah 291, First narrator is Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Yahya bin Saeed al Qattan he is Trustworthy (Tehzeeb al Tehzeeb 1/80), Second narrator is Abu Nuam student of Sufyan Suri and Siqa Muhaddis (Tehzeeb 8/275), Sheikh Zubair Ali Zai Authenticated the Chain of it in Anwar ut Tareeq pg 36.

    [3] Kitab us Sunnah 278, Muhammad bin Umaro bin Abbas is Suduq (Taqreeb at Tehzeeb 1/738), Second narrator is Abdul Malik bin Karib al Asmi is Suduq (Taqreeb 1/618), Sheikh Zubair Ali Zai Authenticated this in Anwar ut Tareeq pg 36.

    [4] Tarikh Baghdad Vol.13 Pg 429, First narrator is رزق ابن and he is Abul Hasan Muhammad bin Ahmad and he is Trustworthy (Tarikh Baghdad 1/315), Second narrator is Jafar bin Muhammad and he is also trustworthy (Tarikh Baghdad 7/227), Third narrator is Muhammad bin Sulayman he is Siqqa (Tarikh e Islam 6/1032),Fourth narrator is Ahmad bin Hasan al Tirmidhi is also Siqqa (Tehzeeb al Tehzeeb 1/24), Fifth narrator is Muhammad bin Yusuf al Faryabi and he is Siqa Suduq declared by Abu Hatim (Al Jarrh Wa Tadeel 8/119), Sheikh Zubair HafizaUllah Authenticated it in Anwar ur Tareeq pg 36, Sheikh Muqbil bin Hadi (rah) also authenticated in Nashar us Sahifa pg 351

    [5] Authenticated by Sheikh Zubair Ali Zai in Al Hadith 90 page 30, And he quoted those scholars who doesn’t consider Abu Hanifah as Mujtahid, Sheikh Muqbil also authenticated in his Nashar us Sahifa pg351.

    [6] Tarikh Baghdad Vol.13 Pg.453, Authenticated by Sheikh Zubair in Anwar ut Tareeq pg36, Sheikh Muqbil in his Nashar us Sahifa pg350



    Obviously this is Madkhalism but I have never seen this before. These statements could be used as a pretext to undermine the Hanafi madhab and completely disregard his work. Whats worse is now some ignorant people can start calling him an innovator! Allah u Musta'an
     
  2. Abu Hawwa

    Abu Hawwa Formerly 'LionofIslam'

  3. Ibn Abbas Al-Misri

    Ibn Abbas Al-Misri Well-Known Member

    Wa Alaikum Al salam wa Rahmat Allah

    Not new at all
    Don't know what made them "Salafi"
    Doubt it
    No it can't
     
  4. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah Well-Known Member

    the rest of the uk salafis are getting sick of these guys and their extremism, two khutbahs in two weeks where both times mentioned how we shouldn't go to extremes in criticising others, or boycotting others or even refusing to give salaams.

    could see the madkhalis getting more and more angry as went on, was almost as funny as watching their faces go purple when the imam made takfir on gadhafi and called him a taghoot from the minbar.
     
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  5. Abdul Malik

    Abdul Malik New Member

    So is there a refutation of this? Did Sufyan at thawri really say these things ?
     
  6. moubeen

    moubeen Active Member

    I have seen this spread by ahle hadees types who have a website full of these type of narrations. Its mainly those ahle hadees guys who are very extreme and at some point followers of madkhali too.

    Most of these narrations come from ra'ees nadwi book as far as i was told by them. He apparently was not too impressed by muqbils pamphlet against abu hanifa and informed people he had vast volumes of work against the imam!

    Some ulema in saudi thought it would be wise and beneficial that they would remove a chapter (when publishing) from the book from the son of imam ahmad which was in criticism of imam anu hanifa. Now you have these people thinking it will enlighten the world and bring respect and goodness. And these sorts of narrations are going to guide the followers of the haniffa madhab to the haq - fools i say - are only bringing devastation and antagonism.

    Thankfully many people dont entertain them or their views.
     
  7. moubeen

    moubeen Active Member

    Here are the main spreaders of this stuff:
    Usual culprits also they all love zubair ali zai and have him as their flag bearer of anti-hanafite teachings


    the following link shows their pages
    umm-ul-qura - www.umm-ul-qura.org
     
  8. moubeen

    moubeen Active Member

  9. Knowing the group that is spreading this stuff about the Imam, (the madkahlis), I would not be surprised if a group came out from them that would start burning the Imam's books and openly revile him. This happened with the 'Haddadiyah' faction of the Madkahlis. They openly called for burning Imam Ibn Hajar's and Imam Nawawis books. That would be the logical end of what they are preaching. Even if they criticize Imam Abu Haneefah, they should mention the good that the scholars have said about him and then mention his weakness. We all know he (rahimahullah) was indeed weak in hadeeth but he was a master in many other sciences and the Usool he gave were the foundations for all other Madhaahib.

    This thread should serve as a reminder for those who would walk the path of ignorance in their criticism and extremism. Wallah u a3lam
     
  10. Pluma

    Pluma <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Maybe. So what?
     
  11. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    Great a load of p***** hating on Imaam al-Adham while the ummah is getting massacred and reviled left right and centre and these guys wanna discuss this? Wastemanz
     
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  12. moubeen

    moubeen Active Member

    Mu’ammal bin Isma’eel: A look at the research of Shaykh Zubair Ali Zai regarding him « Al-Sunnah

    An interesting article from a brother who states the following:

     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2012
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  13. Abdul Malik

    Abdul Malik New Member

    Will re post again sorry
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2012
  14. habdullaah

    habdullaah Member

    Is it right to use such a phrase for him r.h.?
     

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