Allah exists without a place - refuted! moved posts

Discussion in 'Islamic Theology and Ideology' started by AbuUsama, Mar 10, 2009.

  1. AbuUsama

    AbuUsama New Member

    As Salamu Alaikum Warahmathullah

    Taken from another forum, May Allah (swt) reward the brother

     
  2. Abu Zayd al-Atharee

    Abu Zayd al-Atharee New Member

    Please help, jazaakallahu Khair.

    Someone wrote the following in relation the attributes such as Yad and Wajh etc. Can someone refute it and help put my heart at ease, Jazaakallahu Khair.

    Is willing, knowing, seeing, hearing something physical and a body ? NO
    They are abstract attributes. We know because we have brain thus the BRAIN is physical not the KNOWLEDGE ITSELF. We see because we have eyes thus the EYES is the physical not the SEEING itself. Hearing is with the ear thus the EAR is the physical not the HEARING itself. The meaning of these attributes aren't physical.

    Allah Sees without having an Eye and you can't make analogy by saying Allah has Hands without being physical or limb because 'Seeing' itself is not physical meaning however real Hand itself means physical and body part limb etc.

    You guys are making a grave mistake for example by saying we sit with our bodies so Allah sits without body because His sitting is unlike our sitting' But what is sitting and it's meaning ? Sitting is to rest with the torso vertical and the body supported on the buttocks. So if you say sitting without body then this is not sitting anymore so you should not interpret it in something and at the same time NEGATE THE MEANING of that interpretation. That's why you guys are doing tashbeeh you attribute the meanings to Allah what applies to the creation.
     
  3. AbuUsama

    AbuUsama New Member

    As Salamu Alaikum Warahmathullah

    Brother Harris May Allah (swt) reward you greatly, you are doing a great work by exposing the heretic and his lies, see how he mocks the verses of Al Quraan without an atom of fear in his heart so how come we expect any good from him,

    Laa Hawla Wala Quwatha Illah Billah
     
  4. Pluma

    Pluma <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Hmm... it looks like Nour is going to be OWNED again.
     
  5. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz


    ok, when he states the same for al-baihaqi, al-'ash'ari, al-baqilaani and as al-juwayni said the early scholars of the 'ash'aris and other then we may believe him as being sincere to the truth, so say they are making tashbeeh and then he might be taken seriously
     
  6. Abualqamah

    Abualqamah New Member

    Salam aleykum

    I spoke to some Bralwi believers in Wahdatul Wujud, and they said limiting Allah' essence is Kufr so Allah is everywhere...

    Now creation being an illusion for these people mean that creation imagines seeing creation, while there is in fact none but Allah, so in fact creation does not exist, only Allah exists and the image of a creation is a mirage/hallucinatiion/illusion that comes in the brain of people...
     
  7. Al-Hanbali

    Al-Hanbali <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Baarak Allahu feek for your hardwork, but I think you already refuted them. I can't believe they would quote Shee`a ahaadeeth to refute Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jamaa`a
     
  8. Die for Allah

    Die for Allah TIOCFAIDH AR LA

    "Noorudden" you are guilty of lying against Ali radiullah hu anhu.
     
  9. Al-Hanbali

    Al-Hanbali <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    This is the problem with Ahl al-Bid`a, they make up their `Aqeeda THEN they go looking for it in books.
     
  10. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Ameen.


    أعانك الله يا حارس وزادك علماً وبارك فيك
    وجزاك الله خيراً
     
  11. Abu Zayd al-Atharee

    Abu Zayd al-Atharee New Member

    Can somone answers these questions, jazaakallahu khair.

    Can someone answer the following:

    For right now some fairly basic and low-level questions which arise out of your beliefs about the literal positioning of Allah (SWT) and assigning physical direction (of UP).

    1) If Allah (SWT) is UPON the throne and Allah also DESCENDS then who is upon the throne when he (SWT) has descended?

    2) If Allah (SWT) DESCENDS during the last part of the night and knowing that there is always last part of the night somewhere on Earth, when is he EVER upon the throne and when is he OFF thr throne?

    3) Allah (SWT) is UP according to whom? And residents of which part of the world? How does this physical direction of UP works from a near-round earth? Please explain?
     
  12. Abu Zayd al-Atharee

    Abu Zayd al-Atharee New Member

    Can somone answers these questions, jazaakallahu khair.

    Can someone answer the following:

    For right now some fairly basic and low-level questions which arise out of your beliefs about the literal positioning of Allah (SWT) and assigning physical direction (of UP).

    1) If Allah (SWT) is UPON the throne and Allah also DESCENDS then who is upon the throne when he (SWT) has descended?

    2) If Allah (SWT) DESCENDS during the last part of the night and knowing that there is always last part of the night somewhere on Earth, when is he EVER upon the throne and when is he OFF thr throne?

    3) Allah (SWT) is UP according to whom? And residents of which part of the world? How does this physical direction of UP works from a near-round earth? Please explain?
     
  13. Nooruddeen

    Nooruddeen New Member

    I hope these are rhetorical questions.
     
  14. Muslim_

    Muslim_ New Member

    Time and space don't relate to Him.
     
  15. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    So suppose a man sins. Should he not believe that Allah is NOW angry with him until he repents?
     
  16. Muslim_

    Muslim_ New Member

    Some things can't be comprehended. Time and space and place are creation, we are created , it relates to us. We can't understand everything, nor are we obligated.
     
  17. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    Please answer my question:

    So suppose a man sins. Should he not believe that Allah is NOW angry with him until he repents?
    Who are 'almaghdhoobi alayhim'?

    Can we say 'those whom Allah is angry with' if we do not subject this action of anger to time?

    Or, will you say that we have no idea what the verse means?
     
  18. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    So you ascribe all the half-witted nonsense to Allah (like He is beyond place and time) and when questioned about it, you hide behind your inability to comprehend! You should have thought about it before talking about Allah from the top of your head, no?
     
  19. Muslim_

    Muslim_ New Member

    So you believe He's bound by time and space?

    Maybe you can explain to us how he's bound by time and space? And i'll retract my oppinion.
     
  20. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    You missed the point.

    Did Allah mention anything about Him being bound by, or being beyond space and time?
     

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