Another girl- boy situation. Could you help me next few days by checking this thread regularly?

Discussion in 'Identity, Activism and Unity' started by umm hafsa, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. umm hafsa

    umm hafsa Anti-Free mixing

    As salaam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

    I know somebody about my age (she was born a muslim, it seems into a hard-core beralvi Pakistani family), became very distant from her deen. She practically has or is on the verge of leaving the deen. As sad as it may sound, she was unable to tell much differences between Pakistani Culture and the true Islam.

    She ended up being in a relationship with an atheist guy. He of course is very
    </SPAN>anti-islam because of his findings about Islam from the internet. Once you begin to learn about islam through the media, we know where that leads to.

    Anyway, I have no idea how but allah has opened up this girl’s heart a little bit, given her the desire to want to learn a bit more about the deen. She has told her B.f that they cannot be together/marry until he becomes a muslim. He is serious in marrying her because he says that he loves her and of course she loves him too (haraam type of love of course -may allah make it halaal type soon!).Anyway, I have alhumdulilah managed to clear up many of her doubts (placed by him/whispers from the shaytaan) in her mind. She is very polite, sensible and I ask allah to help her.

    The first thing I asked her was 'Do you believe in Allah as the creater', alhumdulilah whilst everything
    </SPAN>else was messed up (a lot of it is to do with the lack of proper teachings from beravli family), the basics of tawheed stayed in her miraculously. Alhumdulilah, she believes in allah, tawheed she now feels much better (recently prayed a salah) and inshallah we can hope she'll try to remain a muslim/return back to the deen.

    </SPAN>The current situation: he has promised her to look into islam open mindedly just for her sake...I am desperate to get him to see the haqq and accept islam (not because we believe in it but simply because it makes perfect sense). Also, I know if he does not then the situation for my girl-friend will take the worse turn. She will marry him in his current state where he is not accepting tawheed and indulged in other evils like drinks, etc :(

    The girl and the guy have known eachother for most of their lives, much more than a decade so it really is not one of those few weeks lasting type of crushes!

    </SPAN>He is bringing up the usual arguments a lot of the time... nothing we have not heard before. I am really trying to not be judgemental since he is googling and ending up on the anti-islamic websites it seems. Of course her family has put him off islam too due to their emotions and shock of what they saw.I am having to respond to a lot these days and it is taking me literally hours. If they pose a question or reservation, I try to collect the sources and write my own response based on them, in an easy manner without any arabic or deenie terminology - responding that way rather than forwarding them to an article or lengthy texts. I find that this is far more effective and they pay attention to this.

    Can some of you insha allah help me out, if in the next few days if I forward to you their questions/ grievances/ reservations about islam here and you could type up a reply which I can forward to them? Something short, to the point and not lengthly. Even if put in bullets..There are some topics on which I can reply pretty quickly because my knowledge is better like 'women in islam' but then he brings up issues in areas I am not too well versed like Prophet (may the peace and blessing of allah be upon him) copying the Quran from Jesus bible, things like Arab idols, Prophet making up the Quran, Prophet simply being a military man and Islam spreading through the sword etc etc.

    I know the answers but I am not the best person to explain these I guess.This is an opportunity through which all of us could get some hasaanat inshallah. I don't want to ignore them simply because I don't have the knowledge to address some of their issues well.

    </SPAN>I may ask them to join the forum sometime in the near future. They may already be reading these posts which of course we don’t mind since we are not hiding anything.</SPAN>

    Please keep the best ikhlaaq and show as much sabr and forgiveness as you can (if something pinches you).

    We ask allah to guide us all.
    </SPAN>Please let us not be judgemental.
    Jazakallah khayr.
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  2. umm hafsa

    umm hafsa Anti-Free mixing

    Bismillah, let us begin insha allah.</SPAN>
    Here are some general statements I am pasting below which we need to address insha allah. Some are in a question-like form whilst others are just some comments/ concerns. Please keep the responses as less descriptive as possible.

    1) 'Give me some reasons as to why the theory of evolution does not work scientifically. I believe that theory explains perfectly how we have come about..point to me the problems.'</SPAN></SPAN>

    2) ‘Mohammad was a man who of course existed, Islam came after Christianity. Quran contains the same/very similar stories to the Bible. Mohammad heard and re-told them simply which is why the stories are so similar’

    3) ‘Many people have miracles today. Magic exists and using magic so much can be done so why should I believe that Jesus’s so called ‘miracles’ or Mohammad’s were from God? Both were simply men trying to gain following’
  3. ahmad10

    ahmad10 حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل

    Al-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatu 'Llahi Wa BarakaTuhu,

    A person can either be sincere in searching the truth, or insincere. Whereas this atheist must have gone through hundreds of pages of 'evidence' supporting evolution, I doubt he's spent nearly a hundredth of that time searching the opposite argument. Also, due to his narrow understanding of the religion of Islam, he doesn't realize exactly how Islam views evolution. For example, Islam doesn't have a problem with creating antibiotics for bacteria that evolve and become resistant. But it does have a problem with saying than man came from fish. Does this atheist know why, the whole of the issues surrounding the religion, as well as evolution in and of itself? I think he should invest more time in educating himself.

    Below are some links which deal with this exact question :

    Science Islam - Evolution Creation or BOTH?
    What does Islam say about the evolution theory? - Abdur-Raheem Green - YouTube
    Evolution in Islam - YouTube

    This is a logical fallacy. People, in order to win arguments, create logical fallacies which cannot be rationally argued against. In this case, it's an assumption which forms the premise of the argument. That since x is true and y is true (they bring this to support their assumption later on) - hence z (the assumption) is also true and all of them must be connected! Wrong. Prove to me, from reliable sources, where he (s) learned those stories - and then prove to me that he re-told them as he 'heard' them. If you get this done, and you won't - then tell me one thing. All of the stories from Muhammad (s), on a plethora of topics is true (from what we know either scientifically, or historically) but the Bible contains numerous scientific, logical, and historical errors in the same exact version of the story. So how is it, that a Prophet (s) hears the lies, and conveys the truth only!? It is an impossibility, because statistically speaking there are hundreds of situations where this situation (the story in Islam being true and that is the other religions having a visible error) is true. So statistically speaking, the chances of this being a coincidence are virtually 0. Bringing up issues like the Prophet (s) was illiterate, and etc. is even more of a reality-check for these people who don't wish to find the truth, but rather seek argumentation.

    Lol! An atheist who believes in magic!? That's a first.

    In any case, the differentiation of belief in this is a matter of Eman, and this person is putting up a silly question as a buffer to try and contemplate the logic behind the truth that is Eman. What difference does it make where the magic comes from. If you believe in magic, then why can't you believe it comes from either Allah (swt), or by the Devils (whom Allah (swt) allows to do that 'magic'.)

    The issue comes in, well - how do you know that these two prophets (may the Peace and Blessing of Allah (swt) be upon both of them) did it from the blessing of Allah (swt), and not to 'seek a following' - while the other people (living today, and the magicians) are doing this as servitude to the Devils? Well simply put, all the other signs are a testament to their intentions, as well as the source for their 'miracles'. Look at all the proofs in the Qur'aan - is this something from the Devils, or the one who knows the ins and outs of the Heavens and the Earth? Once you believe this, then the answer is clear. Plus, the legacy of these two Prophets of Allah (swt) stand as proof of their truth. Muhammad (s) did not get a following through miracles, rather he suffered through it. He got a following through the struggle he faced - and he used 'miracles' (what Allah (swt) did out of His mercy) only to strengthen the hearts of the Believers.

    I hope that answers these questions - the first one has a basis to it, the second one is looking for argument (hopefully it's quelled with the answer), and the third is partially a matter of faith and part of the question is not true (in that Muhammad (s) gained a following through miracles.)

    I suggest you forward those two people this text :

    May Allah (swt) guide both of them, and forgive the sister for her wrongdoing and lead her away from this fitnah.
  4. Umm DJ-N

    Umm DJ-N Patience

    Sis, have you explained to her the dangers and the "not so rosey" part of disobeying Allah? Carrot and Stick approach. Particularly if she is so set on marrying him despite him not being a muslim. May Allah open his heart to Islam. Even though alhamdulillah such cases are not so common today, I think in following generations living in the west they may well be. Its the scariest of all; your children leaving Islam.

    And this thread is a great idea I think.
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  5. Ghazi al Mujahid

    Ghazi al Mujahid Not a Wobbler

    For #2 ... this is a rather common accusation ... most of the stories about the prophets were revealed in Makkah, which was a strictly pagan environment ... the stories in the Qur'an are of great detail .... Muhammad (saaws) was illiterate and had no access to such stories so how would he have heard about them in such an environment? His companions always surrounded him .. wouldn't they have noticed that he was just copying stuff?

    The stories are not the same btw ... they differ quite a bit and the Qur'an corrects the mistakes the bible has made in relating these prophetic stories ... the Qur'an contains some other stories that are never mentioned in the bible there was no established church in the Makkah and the only source could've been the Jews in Medina but most of these stories were Revealed during the Makkan time period before the Hijrah to Medina

    The pagans actually claimed that he was teaching them stories of the ancients, but this accusation is answered by Allah (swt) in the Qur'an

    And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: In that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs. [Qur'an 28:48-49]

    In that day and age, to have such extensive knowledge of the prophetic stories (which includes the ones not found in the bible) you would have to have been able to at least read and have access to the original source.

    As for #3 you can read the greatest miracle of Islam itself today ... the Holy Qur'an

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  6. أم عمارة

    أم عمارة New Member

    You can always answer their random- but not so new queries but I would recommend something different. Tell them to put their question(s) aside and take them through a journey.

    Take them straight to tawheed. Ask them if they believe in God. If yes, then ask them if they believe Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم is the last and final Messenger of God. If yes, then invite them to Islam and tell them about Jannah and Naar. I wrote a similar answer elsewhere so I'll just copy and paste it here:

    If she believes that there is a Creator skip the first step. If not, then make sure to go through step 1.

    1. Start off by giving her examples of common sense. Give her logical scenarios, for example: "If I was walking through a desert and found a watch in the midst of sand, would you believe me if I said that this came together all on it's own?" Get her to agree with you. Then tell her: "the watch has very intricate detail, so the one who made it must be intellectual." Expand by giving other examples.
    Conclude to saying that anything can't come from nothing and also, order cannot spontaneously arise from chaos. There has to be a Creator.

    2. Tell her that the Creator cannot be the creation. The Creator must be eternal and Self-Sufficient. There cannot be more than one God otherwise there will be competition and that would also imply that God has a weakness. Remind her that through this whole journey, you're using logic and reason- not mere feelings. Keep telling her to use her logic.

    3. Next, ask her: Would the Creator create us for no reason? Wouldn't the Creator inform us about our purpose of existence? Shouldn't there be an answer to suffering in the world? If so, how would the Creator tell us this? The best way would be through books and messengers. Tell her that God has given us a Book and that is the Qur'an and the reason why she should believe that it is from God is because:

    - it has the correct concept of God (Surah Ikhlas)
    - it is internally & externally consistent
    - It contains Miracles (scientific, historical, linguistic, mathematical) [give a few examples. 2 will do as long as you know them well]

    Then tell her about our purpose:

    - To ONLY worship The Creator
    - Paradise & Hell

    4. Move on to Messengers. Tell her that there were other Prophets who came to give Glad Tiding's as well as Warnings. Then tell her that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم was a Messenger. He can either be a liar, deluded, or truthful. Expand in this manner:

    => Liar: Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم was KNOWN as the truthful. He was offered to be king, offered more women and literally anything he wanted/desired just so that he stops saying that there is only ONE God. He صلى الله عليه و سلم refused all of this and went through hardships. You can also mention here about Surah 'Abasa. Tell her that Muhammad's صلى الله عليه و سلم son died and right at that point in time, there was an eclipse. People immediately thought that this was a sign of his prophethood. If he was a liar and wanted power- he would've just said yes. However, he said no, this is a sign from Allah and an eclipse does not happen because someone dies.

    => Deluded: He was a great man, very compassionate and a great husband. If he was deluded then how come he was perfectly sane in every other sphere of his life? Moreover, his enemies would leave their belongings with him. If he was not sane then why would they leave their stuff with him?

    => Truthful: Because he was not a liar, nor deluded, then most certainly he has to be truthful.

    Ask her if she understands your logic so far.

    5. Now she should believe that there is a Creator and that He has sent down the Qur'an as the last and final revelation and that Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم was really a Messenger. Tell her to declare what she believes now and take her through Shahadah.
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  7. gag order

    gag order Anti-Troll

    answer 1: there is nothing in the fossil record to suggest that anatomically modern man descended from apes there is no intermediate or transitional form between the most upright ape and anatomically modern man. apes have existed for millions of years in that time many species have come and gone. it does not mean we are related to them..

    answer 2: the Quran sometimes deals with the same subject matter as the Bible but relates it differently in some key areas this is better illustrated by comparison I have found this website that might help but please proof read it first before you pass that along.

    answer 3: Sorcery is learnt and is practiced through incantations, spells, rituals and potions etc etc it can be taught while Miracles occur by Allah's leave and cannot be taught...
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  8. Salih Al-Bosni

    Salih Al-Bosni Abu sho?

    2) ‘Mohammad was a man who of course existed, Islam came after Christianity. Quran contains the same/very similar stories to the Bible. Mohammad heard and re-told them simply which is why the stories are so similar’

    2) To add to the above answers, I believe he should know that the Taurat/Injeel/Quran (aka Torah/Bible/Koran) are from the same source, of course in their original and pure form (except the Quran which has always been

    If you were given three guide booklets on Yamaha's R1,R6,R125... What are they going to be talking about, is one going to be about digestion system of frogs or what. No they are for the same purpose, to guide you and help you on their bikes. As for Muhammad s.a.w just hearing and copying, how can that possibly be true. Why can I nor anyone on this earth just hear Quran then and make up our own version.

    Quran - 2:23
    And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.

    So, I would give him a background on the books & origin, and where they stand as of now and what happened to them.. & etc.. He may not believe, but if he(or anyone out there) isn't willing to then take this challenge from Allah ta'ala, then I then believe he is not a sincere human being. And he would probably need to get rid of and cleanse some more hatred in his heart.

    TL;DR Version: Muhammad s.a.w could not have heard and copied stories because it is possible to recreate/mimic/copy creations designed by human intelligence, but since this Quran is not a creation and is the very word(knowledge) of Allah ta ala it is literally impossible to design another exactly like it. If believed otherwise, you have been challenged to produce a minimum of at least one chapter of its like.

    but I should follow up with the next ayah of warning..

    Quran - 2:24
    But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

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  9. Salih Al-Bosni

    Salih Al-Bosni Abu sho?

    As for the others... both #1 & #3 is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. First asking scientific evidence, I mean what does he want you to do exactly, the fact that its just a theory is a problem itself. And the third question, it makes absolutely 0 sense in my opinion. So I think its better left for the other forum goers, I have to many brain farts just thinking about a question like that.
  10. Ibn Khattab

    Ibn Khattab New Member

    We also need to remember that the end of the day, guidance and misguidance is in the hands of Allah azza wajal. So we can answer all his questions but his heart could still be sealed and he will not be satisfied.

    You need to concentrate more on the sister IMO ... She needs to be strong enough to accept the outcome and not be misled by the traps of the shaytan.

    She also needs to be careful 'cos there are many cases of men/women falsely reverting to Islam just for the sake of 'marriage' then you see them going back to their old ways.

    may Allah guide her and all of us.
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  11. umm hafsa

    umm hafsa Anti-Free mixing

    Jazakallah khayr brothers and sisters - great job. This is exactly the kind of support I was looking for.
    Please note that I am para-phrasing the questions/concerns raised and adding what I am expecting this would want to know- these are NOT the exact wording they have used. I am doing this so that it is easier for you all to understand insha allah.

    Also, two posters have mentioned a point on which I have a question. You said that Qur'an re-tells stories but with the correction from the bible. Could you give me an example of this situation where the same story is told with detail changed?

    I will insha allah be reading EVERYTHING with care before I pass it on. May allah reward you all. I feel positive and hopefull that allah will accept this from us.

    Please another reminder to keep gentle insha allah.

    4) 'So even if evolution was to be proven to be incorrect, how does that lead to the conclusion of Allah being the creator. There could be other possibilities...why Allah and not other God or religion?'

    5) 'Example of scientific facts from the Quran which were not known 14 hundred years ago?'

    ^Please give me, examples and not reffer me to a book or a link where I'll have to read everything to get the answers, if you can.
  12. umm hafsa

    umm hafsa Anti-Free mixing

    I got a message from her just now, passing forward his concerns. And from the way it is written, I think I have been able to work out which link he may have visited and it is this site:

    Subhanallah! There are websites there and people whose main aim is to spread lies about islam.

    Quick question, for my learning. How can I address this argument found on the link regarding Ka'baa : 'Only Muhammad claimed that it was a place built by Abraham. In looking in the O.T., we find no mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca to build a house of worship.'

    Can someone also read the below link which the atheist has read I think since he braught has up the moon-God issue:

    How can I address the 'Allah the moon God' arguement in the best manner since I have never heard of this CRAZY lie before??
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  13. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    In the Bible, David (peace be upon him) is portrayed as a deceptive murderer who gets a man killed in order to sleep with his wife, Noah (pbuh) is portrayed as an incestuous drunkard, Lot (pbuh) is also portrayed as having an incestuous relationship with his daughters, etc, all of these stories seem to be miraculously missing from the Qur'an. Instead what you find is that all the Qur'anic stories are consistent with the message of Tawheed and there are no discrepancies.
  14. Perseveranze

    Perseveranze لا إله إلا الله

  15. Tuwaylib

    Tuwaylib Anti-Defeatist

    no joke:

    1. Forget about the nitty gritty regarding evolution for now. The point is even if evolution is true 'how did it begin'? It is irrational and unreasonable to think something came from nothing. (We have good reason to believe that man did not evolve from a 'common' ancestor though)

    2. There are numerous reasons to believe in the Messengership of Muhammad (saw) and the Qur'an
    -If he agrees to there being a Creator that is unique, all-Wise, Most-Merciful it would be reasonable that that Creator wouldn't leave his Creation without a purpose
    -Just as any other created thing like a toy or electronic has a guide so do we - The Qur'an
    -There are very good reasons for a person to believe that the Qur'an is the word of God
    a) The historical accuracy - differentiating between King and Pharaoh, preservation of Pharoah for all to see etc
    b) Language- It's Arabic is at a level that even impressed the pagan Quraish
    c)Signs- Mountains, two types of seas meeting, embryology

    How would a man unlettered be able to tell you this and other things? It's only reasonable that the Qur'an came from the Creator


    He was known in his society as the Trustworthy and Truthful
    He was offered Kingship and women - he refused
    He couldn't have lied because people lie for reasons and he had no reason to...

    Sorry, I was in bit of a rush... The point is not to answer his questions but to preseant Islam to him as being reasonable and rationale. If that is accepted, then everything in the Qur'an and Sunnah will be accepted.

    Read or gift : Man in the Red Underpants
    Listen to: Another view
    Remember: emotional things like war, suffering etc are not reasonable reasons to reject the existence of a Creator.

    May Allah aid you. Ameen
  16. Perseveranze

    Perseveranze لا إله إلا الله

    Use the SI to search for refutations. This one has been refuted here - and
    The Sources of Islam

    Read the refutations above, also;

    Read this - The detailed story of how the Kaaba was built by Abraham and his son Ishmael peace be upon them

    and scroll down - Ka'bah As A Place Of Worship In The History

    Refuted here - Reply To Robert Morey's Moon-God Allah Myth: A Look At The Archaeological Evidence

    Also read this;
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  17. ahmad10

    ahmad10 حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل

    Al-Salamu `Alaykum Wa Rahmatu 'Llahi Wa BarakaTuhu,

    For the things mentioned in the Qur'an correctly and incorrectly in the Bible you have a) The story of Haman b) Issues related to embryology, etc. These are just a couple as I don't have too much time right now. More later, in sha allah.

    As for Question 4 - there is a simple fact which states that everything created has a creator. Hence the Universe has a creator. Thus the argument is of the existence of Allah (swt) as opposed to polytheism - and you don't need our help to tackle that issue from multiple angles.

    Question 5 - Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

    That site (in both links) contains a lot of falsehood with regards to Anthropomorphism, and the Omnipresence of the Creator. I request all those visiting it to be really careful. But the two links I sent you should be safe, in sha allah. After reading them, I don't think they have any problems. (Of course Harun Yahya presents the issues correctly in most of their things until the end, wherein they subliminally insert some of their Batil - from which people need to be careful. If someone is knowledgeable regarding these issues, they should have no problem taking benefit from the site, and leaving it's ills.)

    I know you don't want links - but it's easier, and straight to the point. I apologize for any other issues which may arise.
  18. Salih Al-Bosni

    Salih Al-Bosni Abu sho?

    Quran - 41:37
    And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.

    easily checkmated with the above I believe... or Al ikhlas, works for me, but 37 of Fussilat is straight to the point.
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  19. Perseveranze

    Perseveranze لا إله إلا الله

    Here's an example - Qur'anic Accuracy Vs. Biblical Error: The Kings & Pharaohs of Egypt

    and - Adam and Eve

    The Qur'an answers this best -

    Surah Anbiya 21:22:
    "If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!"

    (Surat Al Mu’minun, Chapter 23, Verse 91)
    No son (or offspring or children) did Allah beget, nor is there any ilah (god) along with Him; (if there had been many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified be Allah above all that they attribute to Him!

    Also here's a good Academic based paper written by a Muslim from the Islamic viewpoint -

    Read more arguements here - Why can't there be more than One God?

    Would recommend reading some of the links here;

    Asalaamu Alaikum,

    There's two Miracles in Islam.

    1. The Qur'an as a whole. - A miracle for the end time.

    This is regarded as a miracle, as no book before or after it has been produced like it. The Qur'an makes an open challenge to the rest of humanity to "produce even a chapter like it", or "to find a single contradiction".

    Furthermore, when you excersise all the rational options of "who could've produced this Qur'an", the deduction only leads to stronger signs that this could only be from the divine. Also, no other book in history has held more influence on mankind than the Qur'an, this includes the Bible.

    To understand the challenge and the miracle of it, read this -
    Three Lines that Changed the World: The Inimitability of the Shortest Chapter in the Qur’an

    2. The Miracles the Prophet(pbuh) did during his time.

    The rest are regarded as "signs". Good signs that this is from the divine.

    Some of these are regarded as;

    - Scientific Signs - This is to do with the Qur'an's natural phenomina verses - (Example; Embroylogy)

    This is worth a read to better understand -

    - Linguistic Signs - This is to do with the style of the Classical Arabic and its uniqueness. This is really fascinating when you study into it, you realise why the Arabs couldn't challenge the Prophet(pbuh) to produce anything equal to it. (Example; Linguistic Examples)

    - Prophetic Signs - This is basically from reading the Seerah of the Prophet(pbuh). No one has come up with any rational explanation as to how the Prophet(pbuh) did what he did. The impact he had on history is unmatched.

    For example, the famous Non-Muslim historian, William M. Watt states -

    Only a profound belief in himself and his mission explains Muhammad's readiness to endure hardship and persecution during the Meccan period when from a secular point of view there was no prospect of success. Without sincerity how could he have won the allegiance and even devotion of men of strong and upright character like Abu-Bakr and 'Umar ? ... There is thus a strong case for holding that Muhammad was sincere. If in some respects he was mistaken, his mistakes were not due to deliberate lying or imposture[SUP][68][/SUP] ....the important point is that the message was not the product of Muhammad's conscious mind. He believed that he could easily distinguish between his own thinking and these revelations. His sincerity in this belief must be accepted by the modern historian, for this alone makes credible the development of a great religion. The further question, however, whether the messages came from Muhammad's unconscious, or the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source, is beyond the competence of the historian.[SUP][69][/SUP] - William Montgomery Watt

    Here's a decent video, which although not as detailed as I like, it gives a basic perspective on this subject -


    - Historical Signs (Example; The Mention of Haman in the Quran)

    - Observable Signs - Allah makes this very clear to us in the Qur'an.

    Even the famous Atheist, Richard Dawkins admitted in his book "the God dellusion" that the "design arguement" is indeed a powerful arguement for the existence of a Creator.

    The Qur'an could not make this more clearer, there are verses after verses, reaching out to mankind, telling them to observe what is around them. What is within them - to ponder, think and to reflect.

    These are just a few of many - it's something for you to explain, gain knowledge and use it to give some dawah inshallah. A real skeptic, who's also sincere, should really look into it all before it becomes difficult to simply "brush it off". Or at the very least, have that real strong feeling of a "what if" in regards to Islam's truth. And the deeper you go, you let God do the rest.

    Undoubtly, Islam is certainly different to any other religion, and that's the first thing they'll notice.

    Sorry I gave you links... But trust me, their all quite precisive and to the point in refuting the arguements.
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2012
  20. Ghazi al Mujahid

    Ghazi al Mujahid Not a Wobbler

    This person just seems to be googling now and going to anti Islamic websites
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