Azzam Publication's Statement about O. Bakri

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  1. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,</p>

    The world renowned authentic Jihad news organisation published this warning about Omar Bakri couple of years ago.</p>

    As I have previously said on many occasions, I don’t believe Bakri is a spy, nevertheless, all the signs are there.</p>

    Wasalam</p>

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    &quot;In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.&quot;
    </p>

    Since the start of the US Crusade on Afghanistan, a Muslim organisation based in the UK has been appearing in the media issuing statements and interviews about British Muslims going for Jihad in Afghanistan. Since our launch in 1996, it has been the policy of Azzam Publications to remain clear of differences amongst Muslims and to avoid neverending debates. However, due to events following the 07 October 2001 start of the bombing campaign on Afghanistan, we have decided that we owe a responsibility to our sincere Muslim brothers and sisters in the UK and around the World and inform them of information that has been known to us for a long time. If we withhold this information today, it may be that Allah will hold us accountable on the Day of Judgement. Therefore, bearing this in mind, we would like to bring the following points to the attention of the Muslim community in Britain and overseas, without mentioning names. We ask our Muslims brothers and sisters to look at and study this information with a clear, unemotional heart and ask themselves what we have to gain personally by giving away this information. We do not need publicity or advertising and we are not an organisation that wants to recruit members or collect donations.</p>

    In October 2001, the British Press and other Western Media reported that four British Muslims had been killed in Afghanistan. Spokesmen for a British-based Muslim organisation, both in the UK and in Pakistan, issued statements and interviews to the Media containing the following information:</p>

    * Full names and places of residence of the British Muslims who were killed. </p>

    * That these Muslims went to fight Jihad in Afghanistan and they were killed during the course of this. </p>

    * That hundreds more British Muslims had already gone to fight in Afghanistan. </p>

    * That this organisation has offices in Peshawar and Lahore, Pakistan, and it has sent and continues to send dozens of British Muslims across the border into Afghanistan, after providing them with hospitality during their stay in Pakistan. </p>

    * That if these British Muslims return to Britain and are charged with treason, the equivalent of a civil war will break out in Britain with places like Downing Street becoming legitimate targets.
    In order to understand why this organisation made such irresponsible comments, it is necessary to give some background information about this organisation and the leader of this organisation.</p>

    1. The leader of this organisation does not have a verifiable history in Jihad in any of the major Jihads fought since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, including Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir or Tajikistan. In other words, despite what he may claim to the non-Arabic-speaking Muslim communities in Britain, he is unknown in the lands of Jihad across the World. Any Muslim that wishes to verify this information only has to go to the Mujahideen Scholars, leadership, Shuras or Councils in these countries and ask whether this individual has a history with them. </p>

    2. In 1998, the leader of this organisation claimed to be a close representative of Usama bin Ladin and said that he received faxes containing a list of targets that were next on Usama bin Ladin's 'hit-list'. A close representative of Usama bin Ladin would surely be very well-known in at least Afghanistan, if not Chechnya and Bosnia. He later denied any involvement with Bin Ladin. Any Muslim that wishes to verify the rank and status of this individual with respect to the Mujahideen of Afghanistan only has to ask any of the main Mujahideen commanders in Afghanistan, of which there are dozens in all provinces. </p>

    3. The leader of this organisation has claimed to have sent several hundred British Muslims to Chechnya. This is a lie. Any Muslim that wishes to verify this information only has to ask the Mujahideen Military Council (MMC) of Chechnya or one of their leaders, Field Commander Shamil Basayev or Field Commander Khattab. </p>

    4. Despite making open statements supporting acts of terrorism, he remains a free man. He has not undergone trial and is not awaiting extradition to America. </p>

    5. He has made many public statements over the last few years informing the media about activities of 'militant' British Muslims: where they train for Jihad, how they train for Jihad, what methods and routes they use to go for Jihad. He has claimed that British Muslim Mujahideen train in Britain using firearms before going for Jihad. </p>

    At this stage, we would like to point out that the majority of the Muslims in this organisation are non-Arabic speaking youngsters in Britain. The vast majority of them are sincere and hard-working Muslims who wish to try their best in order to serve Islam and Muslims. However, they are being misled by an individual whose background is not known and whose reputation as central figure in the Worldwide 'Jihad' movement does not extend beyond the British Isles.</p>

    We can then look at the information given by this group recently and how it adversely affects the Muslims and their cause:</p>

    * Full names and places of residence of the British Muslims who were killed. </p>

    It was not long before the media knocked on the doors of the families of these individuals and on the doors of members of the Muslim community who knew them. Their parents went at lengths to say that their sons were in Afghanistan on aid work, or holidays. However, specific information that this organisation knew about these Muslims was made public, putting their families in problems. Undoubtedly, their families would already have received visits from the British authorities, thanks to these irresponsible statements.</p>

    * That these Muslims went to fight Jihad in Afghanistan and they were killed during the course of this. </p>

    Was it really necessary to give this specific information, with names, to the media? It is giving information like this that led British Ministers to start ranting and raving about centuries-old treason laws. Even if they did go to fight, could not this organisation have said that they went to deliver aid? </p>

    * That hundreds more British Muslims had already gone to fight in Afghanistan. </p>

    * That this organisation has offices in Peshawar and Lahore, Pakistan, and it has sent and continues to send dozens of British Muslims across the border into Afghanistan, after providing them with hospitality during their stay in Pakistan. </p>

    How ironic that even America and Britain decline to give exact details, numbers and locations of their military actions, but this organisation operates freely and freely gives information about its activities and the people involved with its activities. Their spokesmen appear on television with their real names and faces uncovered. They are allowed to operate freely through offices in Pakistan which have not been shut down unlike offices of real Mujahideen, such as Jaish Muhammad, Lashkar Tayyibah and Harkat Al-Mujahideen. Are statements like this supposed to show bravery, or are they a reflection of ignorance, treason against the Muslims and stupidity? The British Government allows them to openly recruit for more 'volunteers' on British streets. Perhaps the British Government sees benefit in this, because it will get detailed lists of names, addresses and dates of birth of British Muslims going to Afghanistan via this organisation?</p>

    * That if these British Muslims return to Britain and are charged with treason, the equivalent of a civil war will break out in Britain with places like Downing Street becoming legitimate targets. </p>

    Such irresponsible statements have not even been made by other outspoken Muslim spokesmen linked to Jihad, such as Sheikh Abu Qatada and Abu Hamza, who, unlike the leader of this particular organisation, do at least have checkable histories in Jihad. The vast majority of Muslims in Britain do not even have the power to travel to Afghanistan to fight, leaving behind their comfortable lifestyles. How then will these same Muslims suddenly possess the power to start attacking Downing Street? Surely, statements such as these create more enemies for the Muslims when they have enough to deal with as it is.
    To conclude, we would like to say:</p>

    * We advise our Muslim brothers and sisters to remain clear of this organisation, especially its leader. </p>

    * We advise our Muslim brothers and sisters who are already with this organisation to make sincere efforts to verify the information we have given in this document, by checking up the background of their leader, especially in the lands of Jihad. We have nothing against them and only wish for their benefit in this Life and the Next. We do not want them to fall into this trap. </p>

    * There are other Muslims that have gone to Afghanistan from various parts of the World but they did not give media interviews or become 'heroes' before they went, they did not disclose their real names, addresses, date of birth, city of residence, where they work, where they study, which mosque they pray in, who they know, who their friends are etc.to anyone at any stage of their trip, whether in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Nor did they show their passports, driving licences or identity cards to anyone. Likewise, they did not discuss their intentions or travel plans over the telephone, in mosques, or public gatherings. They were wary of giving details to female members of their family for fear they may be loose with their tongues and they did not tell anyone who did not need to know, which meant everyone except one or two people. </p>

    * We cannot and do not discourage any Muslim from going to render assistance to Muslims in Afghanistan because that is equivalent to discouraging a Muslim from praying Salah or telling a fasting Muslim to break his fast. </p>

    * We advise any Muslim that wishes to go to Afghanistan to stay away from this organisation when it comes to making travel arrangements. It would not be surprising if names and details of those who go via this organisation end up in the hands of British or Pakistan intelligence authorities. This does mean that everyone who is working with this organisation is a spy, but it is very easy to infiltrate such an organisation that operates so openly. There are many other ways to get to Afghanistan and many other groups in Pakistan, such as Jaish Muhammad, the Taliban Consulates, Lashkar Tayyibah and Jamiat Ulema Islam. </p>

    * As part of a plan to reinforce the 'sincerity' of the leader of this organisation in the eyes of British Muslims, we expect the British authorities to arrest him in the near future, but for him to be subsequently released. The intention behind this act will be for the British Muslims to begin saying: &quot;If he was not sincere, why was he arrested?&quot; and &quot;The proof that he is on the truth is that he was arrested.&quot; etc.
    </p>
     
  2. gag order

    gag order Anti-Troll

    the warning from azzam publications regarding sheikh OBM which appeared in azzam.com in 2001.


    perhaps an oversight on the part of OBM or is it as some claim deliberate?


    justified or undeserved? your comments please.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2007
  3. As-Saffah

    As-Saffah New Member

    I personally think that people with knowledge shouldnt be posting such things with the intent of either creating discord amongst the brothers or for some other arrogant reason.</p>



    These brothers should know that while they were still in their nappies, Omar Bakri was calling to Jihaad. Unless there is clear cut proof that this man is a munafiq and a spy, then we shouldnt, firstly, call him a spy, and secondly, we shouldnt try and destroy his reputation. Alhamdullilah he has brough many brothers to the correct path. He may have some shortcomings, but this does not mean we slander him or try and discredit him.</p>



    As for the brothers at Azzam, I read that article when it was first published. They are entitled to their own opinion, yet their words carry no weight at all, Firstly, becasue they are an organization that carry the word for the mujahideen and the scholars and NOT THEIR OWN WORDS, and secondly, you do not publically cast doubt on a person because he commits a tactical error that has nothing to do with his Islaam AT ALL!</p>
     
  4. Hiker

    Hiker New Member

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    When we were in our nappies, Omar bakri was saying there is no jihad until there is a muslim state - it is recently since he has join the salafiyya bandwagon that he has been shouting jihad. He can't fight a fish, let alone go and battle jihad - his biggest jihad was,  how to claim his state benefit and to talk a load of boloney.</p>



    As for being a spy, he would not know he was spy even if  he and  his blind supporters were bitten in there worthless rear ends to tell them he was a spy..</p>



    His loonies supports are not on the correct path, the clown bakri has changed his colours so many times, that it would not surprise me if he join the ranting and raving looney party to suit their personalities.</p>



    Bakri and his dum supporters are like small and irratating fungus who only get attention because of the filthy odour they give off, as soon as the fungus is destroyed the better the muslims in the UK will be..</p>



    Bakri and his looney supporters should go back to their mother of all mothers comic books and stick their heads where the sun does not shine..</p>
     
  5. As-Saffah

    As-Saffah New Member

    'Bakri and his looney supporters should go back to their mother of all mothers comic books and stick their heads where the sun does not shine..'</p>



    Firslty, 'Brother', Your words are not that of a person who is arguing for the truth. Your words resemble that of a 10 year old who knows nothing.</p>



    Secondly, You should gain a bit more knowledge before you debate about subjects you dont understand anything about. In order to accuse someone of being a spy, you need proof. You have none. Fear Allah.</p>



    Thirdly, Not only was he calling to Jihaad in defense of this deen, He was calling to the establishment of Islaam in every country. When people shut their mouths out of fear this man stood up. People like you, who have no knowledge, will not condemn the Kuffar, but instead you will attack those who support the deen. If this is the case with you, Allah will expose you, and you will be humiliated in this world and in the hereafter. Im hoping, Inshallah, that you are just some young ignorant person who has become overzealous about the deen and has picked up a few words from some people, and simply parroting this out.</p>
     
  6. Hiker

    Hiker New Member

    I agree a 10 year old ignorant kid would know how fake bakri and his side kick Arjum Choudary are. </p>



    A 10 year old ignorant kid would be smart enough to realise that those who live in planet Bakri are nothing more than Bakri string muppets, who don't know the difference between their elbow and their butts.</p>



    I attack those who misuse the deen for their desire's and teach utter nonsense to the ignorant. Bakri has been teaching utter rubbish since he first came to the UK and continue to do so, until he ran away with his tail between his legs. </p>



    I may not have no knowledge, but I know enough to realise I should not take any aspect of my deen from the likes of bakri and co - they are all a bunch of comedians who are too busy reading their comic books..</p>



    As for bakri being a spy, then explain why MI5 finance a trip for some of his associates in the 90's to bosnia, also why MI5 were protecting him from foreign countries who wanted to question him. Was it that mossad are helping him</p>



    <font face="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Also Bakri admitted that there is a global network of agents with connections to the military camps, some of whom work from Britain - how would he know that unless he is a spy himself..</font></p>

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    <font size="2">Tell me Bakri real name, the one given to him at birth - do you know what it is..</font></p>

    Tell me where he studied, can you answer this question - and please don't say madinah, which his muppet supporters keep tell me, which is rubbish..</p>

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    Once you have taken your head out of his rear end, then reply, then yo might talk some sense..</p>





    and remember those who tell others to Fear Allah their actions will speak of sin!!!</p>
     
  7. gag order

    gag order Anti-Troll

    it is fair to say that the circumstances surrounding sheikh OBM is not always fully understood and what has been said regarding him then much of it may well be mere speculation and allegation, however due to the freqeuncy of change of his 'worldview' and his groups disclosure on matters of secrecy then this in part fuels these allegations and rumours.


    the critiscm from azzam.com is both methodical and civil in its approach and we should proceed from there rather than resort to harsh and spiteful and snide*rhetoric against sheikh OBM and al-muhajiroun.


    azzam.com's motive in warning against sheikh OBM is from a 'jihadist' angle, so unless one shares the same motive it would be interesting to know why someone would oppose sheikh OBM if not for the stated reasons by azzam.com?
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2007
  8. As-Saffah

    As-Saffah New Member

    I may not have no knowledge, but I know enough to realise I should not take any aspect of my deen from the likes of bakri and co - they are all a bunch of comedians who are too busy reading their comic books..</p>



    Mr Hiker, the first part was correct, you dont have any knowledge. People like you are described aptly by the saying: The empty vessel makes the loudness noise when hit'. I really dont care wether you take the deen from him or not, I certainly dont. I take my deen from well established Salafi scholars (not government puppets). The point here is accusing him of being a spy, for which you have no proof. FEAR ALLAH</p>







    As for bakri being a spy, then explain why MI5 finance a trip for some of his associates in the 90's to bosnia, also why MI5 were protecting him from foreign countries who wanted to question him. Was it that mossad are helping him</p>



    Firstly: Anyone can make this accusation, if you have proof, and not mere words and rumours, produce it.</p>



    Secondly: The fact that he was protected by the kuffar means nothing. Abu qatadah and Shaykh Abu hamza were protected by the same people. Your argument is baseless.</p>





    <font face="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Also Bakri admitted that there is a global network of agents with connections to the military camps, some of whom work from Britain - how would he know that unless he is a spy himself..</font></p>

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    <font size="2">I think your lacking in ability to think. I can say right now that i know that the CIA work in different countries around the world. Becasue i know this does it mean I am with the CIA?</font></p>

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    <font size="2">Tell me Bakri real name, the one given to him at birth - do you know what it is..</font></p>

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    <font size="2">Muhammad Omar Bakri</font></p>

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    Once you have taken your head out of his rear end, then reply, then yo might talk some sense..</p>

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    and remember those who tell others to Fear Allah their actions will speak of sin!!!</p>



    I tell you again, FEAR ALLAH. you have no shame. Is this the way you speak to a fellow muslim? Fear Allah.</p>



    If you can provide proof that he is a spy, then present it. Just because Azzam Publications (who I have alot of respect for) write something bad about him, I wont accept it, I am not a blind follower. Bring proof, or I warn you of the punishment of Allah upon the one who calls a brother a spy (which can be seen as calling someone a kaafir). </p>
     
  9. Yasir

    Yasir لك الله يا مهبط الوحي

    As relevant as ever...
     
  10. Intoodeep

    Intoodeep Banned

    these kind of posts are really useless.... Azzam was nothing more than a little online news list run by one or two brothers form london?

    Who cares what they thought of Omar Bakri. Its not revelation.

    Why when we are so much up against a wall are we always dividing ourselves and bickering over useless things. The least he is is a muslim brother, is it right to hate your muslim brother so much???
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2007
  11. abu khattab

    abu khattab New Member

    Intoodeep!

    PLZ..refrain from attributing falsely some jihadi websites to this brother....this brother needs dua now! not more grave been digged! so plz..if you can understand then plz...dont attribute un-intentionally any jihadi things to people whom no one knows personally....ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR NAMES!
     
  12. abudurrah

    abudurrah muslim male

    you dont believe he is a spy and yet you claim all the signs are there so you want everyone else to believ he is a spy

    protecting yourself from accusing a muslim yet advocating others to accuse a muslim (not nice)

    i remember people like you (not specifically u) used to say that abu hamza may be a spy because he gets away with saying so much now those people have shut up, but then they look for whose left.
    what a shame how about oncentrating on the kuffar themselves rather then indicating that muslims are spies


    i would just like to say a few things myself

    'muhaijiroun' are a group who have been formed to please Allah (swt) by estblishing izhaar ud deen and they have a method to do this ....and so on and so on

    point im making is that the group has not been formed with an evil foundation and does not have evil objectives that they should receive such bad treatment (that one should see benefit in the arrest of muslims)
    they do what they believe is right according to islam not according to the kuffar like how many groups do today

    yes it may be true that the group have made bad decisions with the media, but this does not mean the essence of the group is evil and that they want to go around lying to people, i will never believe that because i been with them closely and it is their love for islam which drives the members forward.

    you should be concentrating on people like abdul taher who calls british soldiers martyrs and who belongs to a group with evil foundations and objectives look to their site www.bmf.eu.com

    and the likes of banglawala who always comes on the news really happy to see any muslim arrested
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2007
  13. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    Abu Durrah, no disrespect, but please go and advise someone as gullible and inexperienced as yourself.

    I see OBM as an enemy to Islam. In fact, worse than the Ash'aris. The damage he has done to Islam is something all Muslims agree on because we all feel it, al-Hamdulillah. Which is why OBM finds it hard to get sympathisers apart from a group of gullible, inexperienced and simple-minded young men like you.

    You've been conned, dear bro. You've been conned.
     
  14. Umm

    Umm New Member

    Brothers Shaheed Masood al-Benin and Shaheed Suraqah Al-Andalusi were Azzam correspondents.

    Azzam's words spoke the truth about Bakri and it is only his die-hard supporters who refuse to see the light.
     
  15. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    Two people are in prison right now waiting to be extradited to the US, in connection with Azzam Publications.

    While the pot-belly con artist is free, and is shown pleading to the Brits on TV to allow him back into the country. The guy has no self-respect. What respect is he expected to earn Islam and Muslims?
     
  16. thefitrah

    thefitrah New Member

    Very good article read it before. Im sorry but omar bakri exposes himself all too often.

    And those 'government' scholars ur talkin about, at least they actually sent mujahideen to fight in the lands of Jihad (Uthaymeen sending students to Chechnya), what has OBM done.

    OBM Just keeps mouthing off every chance he gets infront of the media, diverting what is pertinent to the non-muslims (tauhid, belief in Allah) to issues which are immaterial to them. Dawa is the objective, jihad is a tool to remove obstacles.

    What has this man done in the field of dawa? yet he gets his followers (some of whom r mates of mine) to disparage all the sincere da'ees suchs as Ali Tamimi (may Allah free Him), Bilal Philips etc

    Al Muhajiroun are similiar to the Madhkalis but with 'Jihadee' overtones. Just tools to destroy the Dawah.

    Also whn he was in lebanon when the israelis pigs began to bombard, he ran to cyprus! go and fight and incite, ur right next to Palistine.

    May Allah bring victory to the Mujahideen on the front lines! Amen!

    (Just compare the likes of Khattab to this bloke, just such an apparent difference, sincerity shining off his face)
     
  17. Die for Allah

    Die for Allah TIOCFAIDH AR LA

    Asalamualaykum

    A few years ago some brothers got arrested(wont go into details)for some "terrorism" in a foreign country.Anyway these arrests made the headlines and the next day obm was on tv (breakfast tv on the sofa of all places)claiming that the brothers were known to him.

    Well the brother of one of the brothers who was arrested is a good friend of mine and he told me that his brother and the others who were arrested with him had never met obm in their lives.

    So why did obm appear on tv and make claims that were untrue?Also even if the brothers were known to him(which they were'nt)why go on tv and say so?
     
  18. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    To jeapordise their court case and confirm their conviction by establishing radical links.
     
  19. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    looks like a bullseye
     
  20. DhulQarNain

    DhulQarNain براهيم الامزيغي

    AZ does have a point when he stated that OBM has a love-relationship with the Media, because he even appeared on Arab Television, arguing that the Prophet (salallâhu 'alayhi wa sallam) himself killed civillians, so why condemn the Mujahideen when they do it, or something along these lines.

    wa Allâhu al-Musta'an
     

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