Breaking News! Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Averroes, May 28, 2010.

  1. Averroes

    Averroes Kuffar's Bane

    Berlin court have ruled that Muslim students cannot observe Salah at school in response to case by school against a lower court verdict upholding the individual's right to pray. The basis of ruling is that doing so disrupt the peace at school because school consist of various students of beliefs and upholding peace is more important than an individual's right to religion.
    This case involved a Muslim teenager by the name of Yusuf and his headmistress who had denied him to pray at school premises.
    Though all is not lost as this can still be challenged by our brother in Germany's Federal Administrative Court. May Allah grant him success there and give him strength to struggle.

    It must be noted German court had earlier upheld the ban on head-scarves of teachers.
     
  2. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah New Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    the problem with this is that many of the youth who are just beginning to practice or are not supported by strong muslim parents will just give in and make up their salaat at the end of the day. what they need to do is just pray anyway. worse case scenario get kicked out of school. worse case scenario otherwise is being a kafir for missing salaat deliberately.
     
  3. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Actually, May Allah not give him success because he is going to a Taghut for judgement.

    http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/tahakum-part-1-going-judgment-taghut-28323/

    He should just leave school and continue his studies at home or move elsewhere.
     
  4. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah New Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    i understand going to a taghoot for judgement was permissable when your rights were being oppressed?
     
  5. Abu Treika

    Abu Treika Magoo

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    you love opening cans of worms dont you

    what if he cannot leave the place and cannot study at home as he has nobody to teach him and cannot afford to have anyone to teach him?

    the fatwa you posted would imply it is shirk/kufr for this brother to try and make it possible for him to pray in a non-muslim country in a secular establishment, i find this difficult to stomach. this would be akin to somebody appealing a disputable parking offence here in the u.k

    also i have seen many people with this opinion say it is ok to do takhakum to avoid prison in terror cases, why is it ok to do shirk/kufr to avoid prison and not ok when it comes to seeking an education?
     
  6. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah New Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    home schooling is almost totally impossible in germany, where it is blamed on a rise of neo nazism.
     
  7. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    There are those who have this belief but it is erroneous.

    Tahakum is a form of ibadah.

    Therefore tahakum to Allah and His Messenger is Ibadah to Allah and an affirmation of Tawheed in Allah's Lordship and in His Legislation. The Hukm is for non but Him.

    Tahakum to Taghut is ibadah to Taghut therefor it is an act of shirk.

    Is it permissable to make shirk to secure your rights?
     
  8. Abu Treika

    Abu Treika Magoo

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    so all the brothers on terror charges who are fihting their cases, going to appeal courts for their cases to avoid prison are participating in shirk?
     
  9. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah New Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    to be fair, that is a very different situation than the young brother in germany found himself in, he went to court to get his rights, the brothers fighting their cases are forced to do so or lose their liberty.
     
  10. amatulhaqq

    amatulhaqq New Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    as salamu 'alaikum

    I don't understand all the trouble. If they don't let him pray in school he can walk some steps out of his school and just pray. Allah made the wohle world a place for prayer. Or he could try to find a masjid near his school, there are a lot of masajid in Berlin.
     
  11. ibn 'abd al-jabbaar

    ibn 'abd al-jabbaar Well-Known Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Islam Question and Answer - Referring for judgement to courts of man-made law in cases of necessity
     
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  12. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    isn't going to court the reason why some from jammatul muslimeen were rumoured to have made takfeer of sh. abu basir at-Tartousi?
     
  13. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Go and ask them.

    Why do you lot always jump straight to takfeer issues without even properly discussing the hukm?
     
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  14. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    The right to free secular education is a worldly right given by kuffar governments to their citizens.

     
  15. Abdullah11

    Abdullah11 A wannabe neologist

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    It seems as if the standing committee is saying it is major kufr and some one else has added in the brackets of minor kufr?

    Secondly:

    The main argument of those who believe one can go to court to obtain his rights; is there understanding of the verse and the highlighted word:

    60. Have you not seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan (Satan) wishes to lead them far astray.

    Jamaatul Muslimeen are at odds with their understanding, even with many "jihadi salafi" thinkers and movements: Abu Baseer, Abdul Qadir, Dr. Masari, Abu Qatada, just to name a few.

    Even within themselves they differ.

    Allah knows best.
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2010
  16. Abu Treika

    Abu Treika Magoo

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    I believe that is the understanding of the ayah from Ibn Abbas (ra)
     
  17. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    It's ironic that the original Khawarij referred to themselves as Jama'at al-Muslimin as did the most recent reincarnation of pure Khawarij, Jama'at al-Takfir wal-Hijra. In fact, when you read about them, you would think you were reading about the Azariqa or some other original Khawarij faction.

    BTW, just for the record, I have no idea who this Jam'at al Muslimin is that you are referring to.
     
  18. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    calm down dear it's only a commercial! :)

    this was the word on the street from ALM brother from Slough a few years back wa Allahu a'lam
     
  19. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    Agreed...
     
  20. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Re: Berlin court quashes right to Salah at school

    according to the foolish yes and more then that as it would make them kuffar etc...whole load of mad fools in the wee UK these days wAllah...
     

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