Best Country To Live In As a Muslim?

Discussion in 'Islam in General' started by Sad ibn Abu Waqqas, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. Sad ibn Abu Waqqas

    Sad ibn Abu Waqqas New Member

    Salam 'Alaykum,

    I am getting tired of living in the West, as it is hard to practice Islam here, and the temptations and possible fitnas are many.

    What are the best countries to live in from the point of view of someone who wants to obey all the laws of Allah? Is there any place where the Shariah is being established? If not, which place is closest to being governed according to the Shariah?

    Wa al-salam,
  2. TheTiredOne

    TheTiredOne New Member

    I'd be interesting in hearing others thoughts on this too.
  3. Al Jazairi

    Al Jazairi نناديكم و لكن من يجيب؟

    May be a self established Muslim community somewhere far away from the others but I bet they won't taste the serenity feeling for a while because of the Air Strikes that will hit them at night since they're a bunch of terrorists who want to establish Shari'ah and they'd be considered as a threaten to the far far west National Security at the other Part of the globe.
  4. Asad123

    Asad123 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Abu Bakr is right.

    But at least you would die free in the ultimate form of slavery.

    Shaheed, insha'Allah.
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  5. Abu Abdirrahman

    Abu Abdirrahman <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Akhi, if you can go to mecca and madina, don't hesitate! Since that is hard, I definitly reccomend egypt, many scholars and good brothers/sisters in egypt!
    You won't find any country that is running by shariah akhi, unless you want to go to jihad, but your thread said live so...
  6. reliable

    reliable New Member

    honestly id recommend any of the major gulf states you can say what you want about them but at least they are a muslim orientated society in the u.a.e and saudi for instance you can live life perfectly good as a muslim you wont find haraam things unless you look for it, in saudi halaal food is everywhere you wont find half naked women anywhere you wont find music anywhere nothing bad on tv mosques on every corner and the police enforce islamic values, politics aside if you want to keep your head down you live as a muslim you can in any of the big gulf states, especially if you were born in the west they have things that i need like fastfood, internet, nice clean roads and cities, nice housing, and security.
  7. Abd Allah

    Abd Allah New Member


    Wa 'alaikum salaam

    Brother, I have experience in this so I'll try and help insha' Allah.

    I'm from the UK, born and raised here and in the freed side of Jammu Kashmir. Part of my family back home is in the freed side and part in the unfreed. Only other Western country I'm well aware of and have relatives in are Spain and USA.

    I followed a similar aim since 6 years now. Travelled to Syria, Israel/Palestine, Egypt, Yemen, KSA, Pakistan and Afghanistan in pursuit. Here's some notes.

    * If you're established with family and friends in one location nowadays, trust me when I say that moving far away to a place where you have no intimate knowledge of, totally different customs and language, totally different mindset, neither any support nor friendship and no wealth in the form of property, is extremely tough. This is mainly when moving away from the Occidental nations. There is no such thing as Amir'ul Mu'mineen nowadays and with that go away the ease in moving around and practising deen, as well as safety. Your taqwa and imaan would have to be very high and your heart pure. You will face immense amounts of trials and severity. We in the West have been brought up with so much evil, filth and fitna as part 'n' parcel in every routine of our daily lives including immense amount of luxury, extravagance, safety and protection that we completely overlook it. These you won't find in the above listed places in any similar amount as a traveller or as a lone foreigner. Any follower of the right way will love to be rid of all those social and environmental evils and fitna and everything that hampers chastity, modesty, gheera and practise of the full deen, but the major problem you will face is income, safety and protection. [1]

    [1] You will have no such problems if you have high amounts of wealth and/or a major Western university degree (which assures you of lucrative employment in all such areas). It is true, in that, currently, money buys everything even in so called dar al-islam.

    * Various worldly lands are, whether they preach to be following Islam or not, all following similar ways and routines when they have the money and means to do so. They are following the Autolatrists, Nasaar and Yahud who lead the Occident, its aims and its thought. Sadly, fitna, filth and evils present in Sacramento, CA, USA and in London, UK are also present in Jeddah, KSA and Riyadh, KSA. The latter while much better in most ways, in a few things may be much more obscene and repugnant. The difference is that you are not pushed into it, to be in and around it and can totally avoid it as it is mostly hidden and openly unaccepted (contrary to the West where to oppose it is deemed heresy).

    * The best place in my knowledge, wallahi, and the closest to enable you to practise the way of the last Prophet is in KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). For islam, I know of no place better than KSA, many places there are still good enough to keep you and your religious safe. Northern Areas in Pakistan not far from the Himalayan range come next, but a typical modern day person can't live that simple and little life unless you be excellent (they live on daily routines nearly exactly like how RasulAllah and the Sahaba lived, i.e. they send caravan deportations to major cities for goods which they come back and sell in their small settlements. They only have a few electric generators but generally no electricity. They have extreme amounts of trust and reliance in Allah ta'ala, patience and strength I've not seen anywhere else in Muslims. They talk very little and in short deep words... by Western standards, extremely little. They basically live a lifestyle of rural pre-industrial revolution, agriculture, farming and the like. No such thing as pizza and coke there).

    KSA, AllahuAkbar, doesn't even allow a Muslim to go there, even on a visit, let alone move there.

    As an expat, you can only go there for political reasons, if you have a major business there, for 'umra/hajj and by sponsorship through a university, an employer or a family member.

    - Hajj/'umra is an indefinate 4 week visa where you are not allowed to leave outside these area's.

    - KSA work hiring from US/UK is generally by large businesses and industry seeking skilled specialists with +4 years experience in a major degree field. These have high pay rates and lavish benefits.

    - The only other way there is through the Indian/Pakistani free visa scheme whereby you pay an Arab (kafeel) money to sponsor you into the country and then keep paying them a monthly rate to stay. You have to pay that regardless of employment. You are under every stipulation he makes. You live there as under him and majority of them do treat you wickedly beneath a slave, as if you are worse than some animal they own. I have contacts there being oppressed for years and have been there myself under the scheme to know first-hand. I have been there a few times now.

    I went there at Umm al-Qura many years ago and was able to look around. I have many relatives and known living around it. Because of the prejudice, oppression and mistreatment of non-Arabs, nearly every one of them has suffered. One part of my family contacts are pure fraudsters and scamsters, deceiving the country and that being the only way they are living there; one lie and scam after another. One part are honest laborers working even upto 12 hours per day and being treated horrendously by arrogant, filthy Arab kafeels who are sponsoring their stay and dictate everything. Both parts are not my own contacts but that of my family. Personally, I am stuck and cannot find a good halal way into the country, to work and stay there. Obviously if I stayed there, I would need to get married too which is another dilemma.

    You can read more about my experience here:

    If you do go to such an area, and you are not married but baaligh, then you need to get married ASAP. Above all, it is best for your deen, modesty and chastity. But marriage has conditions too and you need to fulfil them. Deen is first. Then the basics being income, food, shelter, clothing and safety. The last, and toughest I'd say nowadays is to find a decent partner (in terms of pious, chaste, modest, pure).

    If you are married then you have major immediate responsibilities that come first. None wants to risk harm or dishonour to their loved, all fear it. In this case, you also need higher assured continuous income, food, shelter, clothing and safety. Having a family to look after and hence obligations will limit severely your work, entrance and stay into KSA as an expat, being alone.

    So I don't know what to advise you but have summed up some info that I hope will help. Hopefully someone can shed light on any similar place that is unknown to me.

  8. harryflashman

    harryflashman New Member

    masha allah.

    how is northern africa?

    even western africa like senegal or gambia?

    grass is always greener they say, but i could handle electric generators its doable

    some dissident americans moved to ecuador, loads of nice fruits grow there, apparently the ppl are welcoming (even to americans no national lampoon vacation) and you can be pretty self sufficient.
  9. Al Jazairi

    Al Jazairi نناديكم و لكن من يجيب؟

    If you keep your mouth shut and don't get your nose stuffed in politics then north Africa would suit you as a foreigner but if you have any Algerian parent for ex then it's not a good idea since the local oppressing laws will be applied on you, the same as Morocco, Tunisia is very very bad idea, Libya would make you more stupid because of their laws and how things are done, the people there are welcoming though but the Gov Nah!

    Mauritania if you want to seek knowledge and you enjoy the sunny days, the dusty winds and the piles of the golden sand dunes and the silence.

    The huge problem in the above countries is the Bureaucracy, if you're not after papers and files then you should be more than fine.

    The best country I've heard about is Malaysia, a bro from there criticized the regime and the poverty and the administrations' corruption but all the bros who were foreigners there praise it and they said it does fit in a Muslim Society image despite of the filth who's everywhere, so I guess sometimes foreign people do fit better than the locals in some places.

    Subhana ALLAH, this Hijrah thingy is so tricky and mysterious but still we all want to try it even if we're going to lose everything, it's the human nature, to unveil the veiled mysteries.
  10. 3abudi

    3abudi New Member

    if you thinking arab contries then Saudi, jeddah because it's multicultural where as Riydh is much more tribalistic and outsiders don't fit in easy.
    advantage that Mekkah is 1/2 hour whenevr you feel like doin umrah plus your sins don't count as double because it's outside of the haram, wallahu a'lam.

    any other Arab contry then don't stay in the capital city you'll find the same fitna and corruption except if your thinking yemen, the capital city has less drama then the south and theres a war in the north, it's really conservative contry anyway.

    so is Sudan, and Muritanya are conservative and i heard parts of Nigerea has some sharia aplied.

    Depends on what your looking for a life of zuhd and wara'a? or a life that has some of the modern comforts but a more islamic environment? also what languages you speak or want to learn?
  11. Sifar

    Sifar New Member

    I'm in the same situation. researching my options
  12. harryflashman

    harryflashman New Member


    thank you brothers for the good info. i went to malaysia KL in 2000, and was blown away. cool city and wonderful country. i think it would be a great place to live, its just very far from my family in uk thats the only thing.

    ma salam

    abu sulayman
  13. s-b-r

    s-b-r Patience is a Virtue

    how about brunei?
  14. I'm sorry brother but you have to stop smokin' the pipe. This exactly is what creates bitter reaction-ism. This has happened in the past, and didn't work. Groups like takfir wal-hijrah, did exactly this. They thought creating a utopia would solve the problem.

    It's about time one crucial point should be realized: Ummah shouldn't be forced to work at the level of a group (or groups), but rather these groups need to work at the level of Ummah.
  15. Asad123

    Asad123 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    I dont think you should accuse of him of "smoking a pipe". Anyway.

    Could you expand on this a little bit more, from the knowledge I have attained on the situation, it was the Egyptian govt. who stepped in and started causing problems. WAllahu alam.
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  16. Invictus_88

    Invictus_88 Member

    In a lot of these countries the £ goes a long way. Perhaps all your family could join you in a better country for conscientious Islam?
  17. Al Jazairi

    Al Jazairi نناديكم و لكن من يجيب؟

    Ya akhi, are you really stupid or you have a learning disability which is an Ibtila'a and I'll make Du'a for you to not take you the wrong way.'

    You said I have to stop smoking the pipe, I know it's a metaphor but it shows that you disliked a lot of my posts but you chose to stay hidden and I guess you said so in the Bros section, I mean staying hidden, so let's pass to the 2nd point.

    It's that the group was called Al-Hijrah Wa-Takfeer not Takfeer Wal-Hijrah and we had them here in Algeria too and this shows again how ignorant you are, you know nothing of what you're speaking but what the Media Whores are feeding your brain.

    That group was basically referring to make Takfeer on the society and the obligation of leaving it, and making Takfeer of Ridda in specific, which required them to establish an Emarat to have an Ameer who will give the orders to execute them (Murtadeen).

    And I was speaking about a Community not a group but may be smoking weed affected your brain, and I was speaking hypothetically to illustrate that the Kuffar won't allow such society to exist and if you have another idea about what I had said then I guess you're contradicting the Sunnah and Qur'an Ayah 100 Surat Nisa'a:

    وَمَنْ يُهَاجِرْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يَجِدْ فِي الْأَرْضِ مُرَاغَمًا كَثِيرًا وَسَعَةً​

    And here are some Ahadith that speak about running away from the Fitan to hills and mountains to conserve your Deen:

    عن أبي سعيد الخدري - رضي الله عنه- عن النبيّ -صلّى الله عليه وسلّم- قال:"يوشك أن يكون خير مال امرئ مسلم غنم يتبع بها شعف الجبال ومواقع القطر يفر بدينه من الفتن".

    عن حذيفة رضي الله عنه قال: كان الناس يسالون رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عن الخير، وكنت اسأله عن الشر مخافة أن يدركني، قال: قلت: يا رسول الله: إنا كنا في جاهلية وشر فجاءنا الله بهذا الخير، فهل بعد هذا الخير من شر؟ قال: (نعم)، قلت: وهل بعد ذلك الشر من خير؟ قال: (نعم وفيه دخن): قلت: وما دخنه، قال: (قوم يستنون بغير سنتي، ويهدون بغير هديي، تعرف منهم وتنكر)، قلت: فهل بعد ذلك الخير من شر؟ قال: (نعم، دعاة على أبواب جهنم، من أجابهم إليها قذفوه فيها)، قلت: يا رسول الله صفهم لنا، قال: (هم من جلدتنا ويتكلمون بألسنتنا)، قلت: فما تأمرني إن أدركني ذلك؟ قال: (تلزم جماعة المسلمين وإمامهم) قلت: فإن لم يكن لهم جماعة ولا إمام؟ قال: (اعتزل تلك الفرق كلها، ولو أن تعض بأصل شجرة حتى يدركك الموت وأنت على ذلك) [متفق عليه].

    عن حذيفة رضي الله عنه، قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: (تكون هدنه على دخن، ثم تكون دعاة الضلالة، فإن كان لله يومئذ في خليفة فألزمه، وإن نهك جسمك واخذ مالك، وان لم تره فاضرب في الأرض، ولو أن تموت وأنت عاض على جذع شجرة) [رواه أحمد وابو داود، وهو حديث حسن].

    Ya Akhi read my previous post again, and by the way Weed is Haram and Unhealthy.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2009
  18. Abd Allah

    Abd Allah New Member


    Assalamu 'alaikum

    Ma al-'Aynayn, I am with AbuBakr Jazairi fully on what he initially said and you have wronged him by your words there. He definitely spoke the truth.

    We aren't those people you reference, nor do we have similar aims and mindsets, nor are we brainwashed by what they were, nor are our political precedents and eras similar, nor are we uneducated in modern pitfalls, evils and deceptions to fall victim to them. Alhumdulillaah, had any party been on the right, Allaah ta'ala would never have given them loss, disgrace nor humiliation. We and those before us who were sent Messengers, get these punishments as a consequence of our own evils and failings.

    Visit the Muslim war torn nations and live there and then you'll understand much. Talk to the affected and see it yourself if you want to know the truth. I've worked there and lived there in the most recent ones as witness from my own brothers. Meet me and those I know and ask them of my experience in these matters as evidence. Wallahi, I came across segments of people in various places who are better than anyone I ever came across or had known, to the point that I myself looked like scum infront of their belief, routines, way of life, purity and taqwa. They lived on the true way and I envied what they had in piety, since I was seeking it. Definitely, they didn't have math, physics, medicine, technology nor optometry knowledge Allaah ta'ala had granted me, but what they had was far superior and I would give away all I had to have what they had. They did not have whim and fear of creation or of meeting their Lord either. What is more, they were on fitra, naturally, uncorrupted, undiluted, unphased, unprogrammed by Western indoctrination. In them, for instance, by nature, women would laugh at a man without a beard and see him as defective and effeminate. They are repulsed by the mere sight. AllahuAkbar, and they lived in area's that live exactly by the means and worldly ways that our beloved leader lived on (peace upon him). Had you truely known what really happens to them of severe dishonour and injustice daily just because of this, honestly, it would shock in utter dismay any mu'min worse than anything you've yet seen or heard. It took me months to live with just the grief of knowing (Western controlled propoganda reports haven't even touched on the disgusting reality).

    There is no way better than that of Muhammad sallallaahu alayhe wasallam and his Ashaab, and victory for us is foretold to come when we return to that, fully, unadulterated. Muslimeen are only offering notes, contemplating and deliberating on possibilities of returning to such a complete life in this thread; to assist one another for succeeding in this phasing temporal life and the real lasting life, which is far superior than remaining servile or a sycophant of a heathen and kuffar people. Shura is good. Afterall, you will not taste belief until you love for your brother what you love for yourself and there is nothing better than the success the pious predecessors achieved. We pray for it, to imitate them, and as for me, I've been greedy for it since years. So what possibly could be objectional to Allaah ta'ala in such a road?

    We are ordered to take heed from Allah ta'ala's words and do justice to them with honour that they deserve and not 'wa maa qadarullaha haqqa qadrihi' [1] - those not on the right way will always hate and oppose you until you are one of them. You establish Shari'ah, deen of Allah subhanahu, anywhere on earth fully as did our pious predecessors and our master, and you will be attacked by the majority... who whether openly or clandestinely, abhor and despise it, under various prolix, masqueraded, pretenses. They worship themselves, those among themselves and the cursed devil; a liar, deceiver A.K.A. actor. But insha'Allaah, there is nothing that can stop a community who sets out to establish and/or fight for haqq till the Yaum. We will never succeed until we aim to establish His way as the only way, and everything starts and succeeds only by His will. Single handedly you cannot do this, even our leader (peace upon him) prayed for support in his mission. Together, you can share, guide, reinforce, comfort and lookout for one another which is what this deen is all about. It makes trials and tribulations far easier to handle and mistakes simpler to avoid. We are not talking about taking over some place and instilling our authorities there or mass punishing those around us, but to save our and our loved ones, their religion, chastity and taqwa best we can. We are not Prophets, we are weak ordinary people, extremely weak to external sensory and environmental stimuli. And in the case of a wild bush fire, you don't sit, you run. Or you'll destroy yourself.

    Akhi AbuBakr Jazairi, I request for you to open your heart and overlook his error and for us to continue discussion on the topic at hand. Alhumdulillaah, I liked what you added to the topic so far. I would implore any unregistered and registered muslimeen, Fisbilillaah, to add what they can to the topic as it will benefit many I personally know, let alone those I don't.

    To proceed on topic, I have two mu'min contacts in Malaysia for about 3 years now and both have given me the same understanding as what you mentioned regards the place. I'd need to see and evaluate myself though but the closest I've been is Indonesia, which wasn't a place I can recommend.

  19. Al Jazairi

    Al Jazairi نناديكم و لكن من يجيب؟

    Jazaka ALLAH Khairan bro.

    Al-Hamdo Lilah I don't make a place for hatred for Muslims in my heart, I may differ and disagree with them but not hate them.

    Sorry to go beyond the topic bro.
  20. Abu Tourab

    Abu Tourab Formerly MilkSheikh

    Nowhere in earth is like jannah. Never forget that.

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