Did Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Taymiyyah accept mawlid?

Discussion in 'Islamic Theology and Ideology' started by Layth, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    Lately I've been seeing Ash'aris and Sufis claiming that they did. Anyone got link to refutations of these claims??
     
  2. Ahmad ibn Philip

    Ahmad ibn Philip New Member

    Allaahu'alim, from what I know, this is true of Ibn al Qayyim, Ibn Taymiyya, and Ibn Kathir. I'd like to know more about this myself.
     
  3. Mu'awiya

    Mu'awiya New Member

    Asalaam alaikum


    Basically, the sufis took what he said out of context. Ibn Taymiyya's whole book is refuting the idea of innovated festivals, but these people took a quote out of it (probably where Ibn T quotes what the sufis say) and they quote that, claiming that he permitted it. Allaahu a'lam if i'm 100% right, but thats the basic idea behind it.


    Someone will post the details in a little while insha Allah.
     
  4. Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari

    Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    It is better to use specific allegations and refute them.

    For example, first Google hit (I assume that's where most people will likelt end up when researching the subject):
    See? Now people with knowledge can go to specific book and easily refute it.
     
  5. Um Abdullah M.

    Um Abdullah M. Nothing

    yup

    here is the complete quote by Ibn Taimiyyah rahimahu Allah, which was quoted by a bro in sunniforum


     
  6. Um Abdullah M.

    Um Abdullah M. Nothing

    By the way, that is found in his book "Iqtida as-sirat al Mustaqim".

    and he said in the same book in another place:

    وكذلك ما يحدثه بعض الناس ، إما مضاهاة للنصارى في ميلاد عيسى عليه السلام ، وإما محبة للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وتعظيمًا . والله قد يثيبهم (1) على هذه المحبة والاجتهاد ، لا على البدع- من اتخاذ مولد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عيدًا . مع اختلاف الناس في مولده . فإن هذا لم يفعله السلف ، مع قيام المقتضي له وعدم المانع منه لو كان خيرًا . ولو كان هذا خيرًا (2) محضا ، أو راجحًا لكان السلف رضي الله عنهم أحق به منا ، فإنهم كانوا أشد محبة لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتعظيمًا له منا ، وهم على الخير أحرص .

    Also what some people innovate, either imitating milad of Isaa alayhi assalam or for the love of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and his glorification. And Allah MIGHT reward them for this love and ijtihad, NOT for the BIDAH of taking mawlid of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as an eid. With the disagreement of people regarding his mawlid, the Salaf did not do it, with the need for it being there, and nothing to prevent them from doing it, if it were good. And if this was complete goodness or the most correct, the Salaf radiyallahu anhum would have had more right doing it than us, for they had greater love for the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and glorified him more than us, and they (Salaf) were more eager to doing good than us.
     
  7. Madarijas-Salikeen

    Madarijas-Salikeen <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    as-salaamu alaykum!
    Jazakallah khayr! This is what I always wondered.
     
  8. Mu'awiya

    Mu'awiya New Member

    asalaam alaikum


    this is what puts me off them so much, they take well cheap shots to prove their version of islam by taking things out of context.. so how can u really trust them in other matters.
     
  9. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    Jazaakum Allah Khayr, dear brothers and sisters.

    I saw that some Sufis/Ash'aris were making these stupid claims in another forum. I have posted the true position of the Imams. They will probably ban me anyway, for being "too harsh" LOL.
     
  10. when a ''Fake'''sufi quotes Ibn Taymiyya of other High Qualified scholars you must be aware because they pick and choose in a similar way the madkhalis pick/choose and mistranslate hold out of context of Fatawa ,
     
  11. Abu'Aaminah

    Abu'Aaminah Well-Known Member

    Assalamu Alaykum

    Thread bumped!
     
  12. DhulQarNain

    DhulQarNain براهيم الامزيغي

    ^ Dear bro, claims have been made by the Mukhâlifeen, and here they were refuted.
    The End...
     
  13. ali541

    ali541 New Member

    Salaam. Ibn Taymiah comments on Mawlid in Mujmua Fatwa and say that people who celebrate the Mawlid will be rewarded for the love they show and not the act, because the asct is wrong. The sufis only ever quote his words on the reward of the love and always omit the part were he called the act of mawlid wrong.
     
  14. Muslim4life101

    Muslim4life101 New Member

    No by Allah,they are not my scholars. I take nothing from them.
     
  15. ali541

    ali541 New Member

    Salaam. Why do you say that, what makes you say that about these great Imams.
     
  16. Pluma

    Pluma <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    He's probably a mubtadi'.
     
  17. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    the bust me up,you almost sound madd serious about it,lol...
     
  18. Scented Blood

    Scented Blood Abu Peanut

    Dont worry mate i got your back!
    We got to stick together against these wahabis

    Look! we got david milliband backing us up!

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  19. Ba Ba Muhammad

    Ba Ba Muhammad New Member

    Salam

    No Ibn Taymiyah and Ibn Qayyum are not in agreement with these practices, but have admitted there is some merit in them.
    Secondly you will find those who quote the selected passages are making a partial quotation and not a misquotation. Theres a difference. With a partial quotation somebody only uses the part of the passage that makes their point, however with a misquotation is where the person distorts the text by changing words, mistranslating, etc. I have had a look at these texts and what the Sufis quote are there. I have the pdfs highlighting these sections in which they have quoted from.
     

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