Disgusting: UCL Athiest Society post cartoons of Prophets Muhammad and Jesus having a beer.

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by TawhidZmaray, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. TawhidZmaray

    TawhidZmaray New Member

    This is very important, not much awareness has been raised about this. An absolutely disgusting act by the Athiest society at the University College London.

    Because of them going unchallenged they have even gone as far as to create a website: Jesus and Mo

    This is their Facebook page: Log in | Facebook
     
  2. Pro-Human

    Pro-Human Well-Known Member

    Just ignore it.
     
  3. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    How very UCLess..proper tools to incite people with this,there will be fallout..
     
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  4. TheUmmahStridesForward

    TheUmmahStridesForward It was written...

    Such spineless provocation, before then pleading the 'victim card'... Ends justify the means for these people sadly, wonder where they inherited that from.

    What is the Islamic response to this? What are our positions on the idea of 'freedom of expression', 'censorship' etc and the idea that they are free to offend anyone they like, which is due to their lust to cynically ridicule everything that doesn't adhere to their discourse, in order to desensitise it, make it a subject of easy mockery and remove its value or seriousness as a threat to their desired academic, social and essentially spheric dominance?

    Growing up with people like this, they are the most deceptive people, yet they know how to 'play the game'. They say or use one excuse or piece of rhetoric, whilst meaning and aiming for something completely different. They have a very strong infrastructure behind them, they are within a framework which contrary to the rubbish they come out with about 'having it hard', supports and empowers them, and diminishes and sidelines others. They also have the popular support, especially in the fanboy's who worship the leaders of new-atheism and neo-secular humanism, much because of how society is set up today and what it educates in people, along with how Western culture has panned out.
    They felt that after Christianity, and the weakness of 'Philosophy', there was a one way street of inevitability for them towards dominant rational scientism, yet then Islam entered the public eye and the intellectual spotlight, and they have to repeat all their "backward, intellectually stagnant, ignorant, deluded, brainwashed..'enter Insult here' " syllabus again.

    They are used to being told and feeling intellectually and culturally superior, and having a solid case for and apparently justified view of the 'other' as the opposite. You are asking a people who do not recognise what 'respect' is. It, as they say themselves, 'offends them' when a Muslim dares to ask someone not to attack that which defines their identity and honour in such a way as they do. Everything that stands in their way offends them. Of course, they know how to put arguments together very well- and complexity and sophistication equates to truth for many. So when they put their cleverly concocted storyboards together, they clap and cheer, looking in the mirror and praising their own apparent genius. Then, when someone dares retort, which PZ Myers made a point of jesting about, they put together some more winding wordplay, before looking in the mirror again and praising their own apparent genius. And they say arrogance is at its most potent before the fall, yet at its most unrecognisable to the arrogant as well.

    Yet I am wondering myself, what is the appropriate and accurate response to this sort of thing Islamically. Seeing as the atheists were not just bored one Saturday afternoon, but strategically planned what they did for a reason, we then have to realise that they are setting traps for others- if they react- 'put them in their place legally and academically', or use its a propaganda and PR. If they don't react, 'we have weakened them and pacified them, which allows us to do it again in a more strong manner and take it the next step in solidifying our ethics.

    Part of the problem sometimes, past the universally expected fallout, is that we become as the opposition defines us, because we are ignorant of ourselves and the appropriate method of dealing with such problems. Yet to add to this, one of the great disasters of today is that many design their reactions according to a position of 'how well it will be taken'- i.e, does it look good, will they like it, will it go down well etc, which is generally highly defeatist, because one who knows who he is and has no shame standing up for his values, will take whatever fallout that comes out of it, and not care for the struggle he has to go through with such horrible people anyway. Sadly we live in the age of media spotlight and the ridiculous sensationalist culture.
     
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  5. Striving4Sunnah

    Striving4Sunnah Musrayaaa

    May Allah guide them, and if he doesn't guide them may he humiliate them and take them FAR away from us
     
  6. abdulmuhsee

    abdulmuhsee Dunker of Flies

    I don't get it; what exactly is the joke supposed to be?
     
  7. Ibn Khattab

    Ibn Khattab New Member

    There is no joke here akhee, just some people trying to show their hatred.

    I haven't taken a look at the website in question (don't wanna give it 'hits') but their FB page is busy and filled with a lot of nonsense.
     
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  8. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    Wow how progressive these retarded pseudo intellectuals are. May they get a condition where they constantly poo their pants
     
  9. Riaz77

    Riaz77 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Unfortunately the law is on the side of atheists when it comes to freedom of speech and expression. It isn't on the side of Muslims which means a verbal counter attack will end up as a hate crime.

    Muslims need to learn to 'play the game' like the atheists have learned to do.
     
  10. Ilmseeker1

    Ilmseeker1 New Member

    Find out if there are any hizbis that go to UCL or other muslims that are into debates with atheists and secularist
    You need to have some form of intellectual muslim response to these fools to
    a) Show the student body in general that muslims can respond to the atheist/secularist irrational arguments.
    b) Give muslims on campus the confidence to counter their claims against islam, the messengers and the quraan
    c) Prevent their message from attracting jahil muslims
     
  11. islamiclife

    islamiclife Proud Islamist

    ^We don't need to debate with these people. Why should we give them more attention than they deserve. Honestly, why do some Muslims think that we must refute every bloody hater on the street!!?

    So making fun of our Prophets (peace be upon them) is allowed under freedom of speech but sharing anti-gay content isn't allowed?
     
  12. Ilmseeker1

    Ilmseeker1 New Member

    I meant more in terms what you just mentioned, exposing flaws in their arguments and beliefs.
    Such as freedom of speech. But fair enough you do make a good point
     
  13. Perseveranze

    Perseveranze لا إله إلا الله

    Asalaamu Alaikum,

    I wouldn't have posted the link, gives them more traffic.
     
  14. AbuMubarak

    AbuMubarak Well-Known Member

    muslims cannot "play the game" because it is not fair

    gays can attack muslims, islam, the prophet
    but if you say anything against those fudgepackers, you may be accused of inciting hatred and the likes

    jews can leave brooklyn ny, go to occupied palestine and shoot all of the muslim children they can
    but if a muslim leaves minneapolis to go and help his brothers in somalia, he is aiding terrorism

    george galloway can attack the system all day long
    yet if anwar alawlaki says the exact same thing, he gets a predator drone
     
  15. Riaz77

    Riaz77 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Are you basically trying to imply that Muslims have lost the game and should now sit back and put up with whatever the kufr throws at them?
     
  16. Ibn Khattab

    Ibn Khattab New Member

    His comments was in response to when you said:

    "Muslims need to learn to 'play the game' like the atheists have learned to do.
    "

    We can't play the same game as them because as the brother rightly points out, there is hypocrisy and double standards. For eg If right now UCL ISOC or any other Islamic Society posted up pictures insulting Jews or something (Just giving an example) then trust me, the student union and the university would come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

    But here you can be sure the 'freedom of speech' card will be used to defend them.

    Basically, if the 'referee' is biased then what chance do you have of winning... Having said this, I think initially there is a diplomatic way of doing things and then work your from there Inshallah.
     
  17. Abu Hawwa

    Abu Hawwa Formerly 'LionofIslam'

    We need to talk a language they understand.
    Law Suits.
     
  18. Riaz77

    Riaz77 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Looks like there is a glimmer of sense coming through.

    My own experience has identified that getting a solicitor to send a letter containing a cease and desist notice to the offending party is remarkably effective. The notice could include a strongly worded statement to remove certain material from the internet and destroy printed matter or else legal action will be taken against the offending party for inciting religious hatred.
     
  19. samin62

    samin62 New Member

    the problem with these people are that they just growl, but they are very afraid to bite. They do things you cannot get away with in the real world, only in their bubble they live in. Its just unnecessary provocation, they just want the right to be a turd.

    funny thing is, the pioneers of freedom of speech in the west never had these kind of actions in mind, they just wanted to tell their government that they are oppressive. You cannot argue with these people. They will do something and if the offended people respond, they will hide. They will never stand their ground and defend.
     
  20. AbuMubarak

    AbuMubarak Well-Known Member

    law suits are the shenanigans of the kuffar to make you play their game according to their rules

    the companions of the prophet did not gain victory over their enemies thru lawsuits, but thru first a strong iman and tawakkul and then a willingness to do whatever Allah commanded them without fear of death or the kuffar

    we need to adopt that successful strategy or we too are doomed to failure and humiliation
     

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