Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by WHOSANE, Dec 23, 2008.
You know that there are bigger evils out there than Hizb at-Tahrir. Why don't you spend more time exposing Ed, Majid, and Usama who are working very hard to destroy our religion?
What do you expect from ex-HT people. HT teach you can watch pornography, kiss girls, look at a women naked if considering her for marriage.
HT corrupt the soul which leads to deviant behaviour and ideas based on following their version of Shariah. They should be condemned for believing in neo-mutazilite ideals.
So what do you expect from their people !!!
In future it would be better if you comment on the thread topic itself instead of trying to divert the discussion.
I selected positive description of HT with green and negative description of HT with red.
I do not know if this true or not, but certainly there is not a word about it in the article.
The reason this girl left HT would rather put her in a bad light:
Inshallah I'll comment on the thread topic.
Firstly, I'll just state that I am nothing to do with HT. However, its a complete myth that they say that watching pornography is ok, or that you can kiss girls. I know there is something about a leaflet printed in the 80s, however if you speak to brothers and sisters in HT today, they ARE practising brothers and sisters.
HOWEVER they have a lot of problems that they don't address :-
1. They suffer from arrogance and partisanship, in that their way is the only Way. Mojo lot are like this as well ( though worse in many respects).
2. They don't respect the classical ulema like Ibn Taymiyyah or Abdul-Wahab.
3. They have odd views regarding Manhaj
4. They are like a big pyramid scheme, with recruitment being everything though never doing anything for issues they could help with with that kind of influence unless it benefits their group
All the above said, I have immense respect for the foot-guys / shabab in the party, because they genuinely change their lives and work for (as they perceive it ) Islam and the ummah. Like anything, its their leaders who let them down.
From my short experience with the party and a small number of its members, it seems as though the Hizb' is comprised mainly of youthful students who are filled with emotion and aren't truly sure of precisely why they are members.
Ultimately, our goal is to worship Allah (azza'wajjal) and become closer to Him. Whether this occurs under the Islamic state or not, is, in my opinion, irrelevant.
and besides discussing HTs negatives and positives we must note that WHOSANE is complete plum whos posts are always anti HT or anti Qutb or whatever else he can come up with and some of the stuff he posts about them is utter garbage
whether you believe it is irrelevant or not usually depends on ones willingness to make a change to the broader system. If you live a comfortable life, and can worship Allah alone and have reduced the religion to the length of the beard and trousers then why change the status quo? Why exert effort and make things harder for yourself by working to change the system even if it’s very unjust? Just grow your beard, establish the 5 pillars and you’re sorted. Right?
I don't think any one on this forum is necessarily saying that. After all, the first pillar contains everything in there...including 5 pillars, Khilafah, etc.
My issue is that HT go on some mass recruitment drive, then it actually breeds an inertia that stops people doing anything except handing out leaflets on fridays and making grandoise statements about the economy vs the american plan vs the british plan vs any other conspiratorial plan they care to dream up.
What they DONT do, or are certainly discouraged from doing, is give charity ( unless it is towards establishing a ht-run state ...i.e. giving money to the "party") , helping the oppressed around the world ( "Its not the method brother"), or supporting muslim prisoners ( "If we have a khilafah it will be sorted out"), engage in ibadah ( "The work to establish khilafah is fard, but the nafl salat after maghib is sunnah brother" )
Don't get me wrong, they're still good people, but I just think they need to re-assess themselves and ask themselves whether they are really on the manhaj of the prophet(Saw) and his companions. I think I would know what they would be doing in these turbulent times, and its not handing out leaflets and having talks about the IMF.
and on top of that he is a supporter/worker of Quilliam foundation, probably works for them, and signed up with multiple accounts on another forums posting old washed out articles and causing fitna.
Here is him commenting under names 'Tiaq' and 'WHOSANE'. woundt be suprised if his one of the hussains/whosane of QF lol
What about Ed Hussain and Majid Nawaz, who have called the Prophet saw barbaric and have rejected sharia and are working against Islam?
Are you sure you are not talking about Salafis here?
BTW - Have mercy on WHOSANE - He is seems to be the worlds only Usama Hasan fan and is therefore a rarity.
My point, although I should have made it clear, is that entities such as the Hizb' seem to espouse the notion that one as a Muslim must only think about the Khilafah, whilst neglecting the more fundamental duties as a Muslim.
I, as any other Muslim, would like to live under the Khilafah rather than a secular form of Government. However, reality is somewhat different and the route the Hizb' seem to follow is one which will bring out very little change. As Imam Anwar al-Awlaki stated in an article regarding the Hizb', bringing about the Khilafah in this day and age requires Jihad for the sake of Allah (azza'wajjal). However, look at the reaction and lack of support given by Muslims, to Muslims who are fighting for the sake of Allah (azza'wajjal) in order to establish Islam in lands wherein the Muslims represent the majority.
One should look to better himself as a Muslim and better those around him, and, Insha'Allah, the desire for the Khilafah will be a natural outcome. And Allah (azza'wajjal) knows best.
I suppose every Muslim holds such views, albeit not entirely, regarding those who differ in their way of thinking.
I have many differences with HT, but I can see why WHOSANE hates them so much from the same BBC article that he posted:
Sure beats Salafi secularism any day.
Did you forget about JIMAS?
Brothers, let us not get sidetracked by bickering amongst ourselves over our differences. The fact of the matter is that the Western Media isn't propagating this type of news because they disagree with HT's alleged views on pornography, the beard, punishment in the grave etc., they don't care two shoots about that. Rather, they seem obsessed to demonise anybody who calls for or supports any aspect of the Sharee'ah, regardless of whatever interpretation they have of it, be it the representatives of their own faith such as the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Leave the discussion of disputations for another time, now is the time to unite to defend the ongoing attacks upon the sovereignty of Allaah.
Good points bro Muhammad. Its like when they attack the "Wahhabis" for their "strict interpretation of the Sharia". You never see any of these deviant sufis etc stepping up and saying "hey, wait a minute.. this is islam that they're attacking!".
We shouldn't lose focus of the bigger picture. The kuffar don't care about our internal disputes and ikhtilaf.
May Allah bless you and enable more of us to think as clearly as you do.
Well, I know many of the JIMAS crowd and they don't really like him at all.
They remain silent for the sake of hikmah (read cowardice).
It will all collapse sooner or later anyway.
I certainly hope so. Though, they don't just remain silent on Usama Hasan, they give him a platform.
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