Question HELP ! - What is the full and correct Isha salah

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  1. therealstranger

    therealstranger New Member



    What is the full and correct salah of salahtu Isha?

    is it



    4 sunnah
    4 fard
    2 sunnah
    2 nafl
    3 witir
    2 nafl


    ?

    is this according to the sunahh? pls can you be kind enough to include detail and supporting evidence,

    thank you all -jazakullah khair

     
  2. La Ta7zanoo

    La Ta7zanoo Umm Wardaa

    "Allaah will build a house in Heaven for whoever is diligent in observing 12 Sunnah Rak'aat (as follows): 4 Rak'aat before and 2 after the Dhuhr (Midday) Prayer, 2 after the Maghrib (Sunset Prayer), 2 after the ‘Ishaa’ (Evening) Prayer and 2 before the Fajr (Dawn) Prayer." Hadith sahih narrated by at-Tirmidhi No. 379 and by others. Hadith No. 6183 in Sahih al-Jaami

    Islam Question and Answer - Al Sunnan Al Rawatib (Sunnah Prayers associated with Fardh Prayers)

    Witr is generally the last prayer of the night and it can be any odd number of raka'ah. "It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make the last of your prayer at night Witr.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 998; Muslim, 749."

    You can pray any number of prayers before witr, but they are not counted as a part of Isha. Rather they are a part of the voluntary night prayers, as is witr.

    "With regard to differentiation made in the Sunnah, according to the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), a man asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): How are the night prayers done? He said: “Two by two, then when you fear that dawn is about to break, pray Witr with one rak’ah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari. See al-Fath, 3/20. "

    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/52875
     
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  3. therealstranger

    therealstranger New Member

    jzakullah, but are these not part of the isha salah then???? pls comment, thanks

    4 sunnah
    4 fard
    2 sunnah
    2 nafl
    3 witir
    2 nafl
     
  4. La Ta7zanoo

    La Ta7zanoo Umm Wardaa

    According to the links I posted with the hadeeth, we are to read 4 fardh for 'Isha and then it is recommended to pray 2 sunnah.

    After that, we can pray any amount (even number) throughout the night. Once we're finished with them, we end it with witr (odd number). Unless I'm mistaken, these are not part of the 'Isha salah.
     
  5. therealstranger

    therealstranger New Member

    so your saying 4fard, 2 sunnah and 3 witir are part of isha salah and nothing else? where have the others (now marked no) come from then?

    and the 2 nafl after the witir salah, could these be from the sunnah? prophet Muhammed pbuh used to pray 2 nafl before he went to sleep, is this a daif hadith then or something else and not part of isha salah?
    sorry for the qestions, trying to understand

    4 sunnah - no
    4 fard - yes
    2 sunnah - yes
    2 nafl - no
    3 witir - yes
    2 nafl
    - no


     
  6. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    I remember reading once about 2 rak'ahs after witr.. does anyone have a reference?

    Also, if you are in a mosque then there would be at least 2 rak'ahs (tahiyyatul masjid) before the 4 fardh...
     
  7. also you can read the two nawafil rakats between the adhaan and iqaamah.
    Abdullah bin Mughafal Al-Muzani narrated that the Prophet (saw) said thrice: "There is a salah between the two Adhans (adhan and Iqaamah), there is a Salah between the two Adhans." And then while saying it the third time he (saw) added, "For the one who wants to." Bukhairi Hadith no.627

    regarding the two rakats after witr, I found this:
    "hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who was asked about the Witr of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). She said: “We used to prepare his siwaak (tooth stick) and water for wudoo’ for him, then Allaah would cause him to wake up at any time He willed at night. He would use the tooth stick, do wudoo’ and pray nine rak’ahs, in which he would not sit except in the eighth, when he would remember Allaah, glorify Him and make du’aa’. Then he would get up without saying salaam, and pray the ninth rak’ah. Then he would sit down and again remember Allaah, glorify Him and make du’aa’. Then he would say a salaam that we could hear, then he would pray two rak’ahs after that, whilst sitting down.” Narrated by Muslim; this is part of a lengthy hadeeth, which is to be understood as meaning that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed two rak’ahs after Witr to show that it is permissible to pray after Witr. "
    Source: (Islam Question and Answer - Is it permissible to pray naafil after Witr?)
     
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  8. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    4 sunnah before Isha' is a common Hanafi view, and that is also what I learned growing up. However, it is based on Qiyas with Zuhr and Asr. HH has mentioned some time back that this is a batil opinion, originating from some Mu'tazili Hanafis and not from any of the Imams of the madhhab.

    Anyhow, I think he would be best qualified to comment on the rest.
     
  9. therealstranger

    therealstranger New Member

    is their anyone else who could comment at all? I have sent several hours checking around, but nothing concreate.....except the 4 fardh salah for isha followed by 2 sunnah and 3 witr.
    but what about the rest??

    4 sunnah
    4 fard
    2 sunnah
    2 nafl
    3 witir
    2 nafl
     
  10. therealstranger

    therealstranger New Member

    bump.

    is their anyone else who could comment at all? I have sent several hours checking around, but nothing concreate.....except the 4 fardh salah for isha followed by 2 sunnah and 3 witr.
    but what about the rest??

    4 sunnah
    4 fard
    2 sunnah
    2 nafl
    3 witir
    2 nafl
     
  11. Ismail Ibrahim

    Ismail Ibrahim Formerly Harris Hammam

    The established method of Salah of Isha and those specifically connected to it from the original Madhhab in my knowledge is:

    4 Fard
    2 Sunnah Raatibah
    3 Wajib

    This is the Nass of the Madhhab.


    As for all these extra Nawaafil people mention, they have no connection with the `Isha Salah itself. Especially these two extra Rak`ah which people read after Witr - it is baseless from the Madhhab's point of view and also contradicts the encouragement of the Shariah, though reading them is still in the scope of permissibility, but that's it.

    There is also another 2 Rak`ah that can be said to be Sunnah Ghayr Mu'akkadah (i.e. non-Raatibah), and I am still looking for that Hadith. In any case, if proven it would not be the Madhhab (since I haven't found it as of yet), but would rather be a Takhreej on the Usool of the Madhhab.
     
  12. Ismail Ibrahim

    Ismail Ibrahim Formerly Harris Hammam

    Yeh I did mention that, but it isn't as sinister as I made it out to be back then. It was al-Karkhi, who was a pious Mu`tazilite. His opinion had nothing to do with his I`tazaali tendencies but rather with his personal Takhreej - Takhreej probably on Imam Abu Hanifah's position that the best Salah is 4-4-4 in the night, and he did a mathematical calculation with the Hadith "Between every Adhan and Iqamah is Salah", so he deduced via Takhreej that Imam Abu Hanifah's position is 4 Sunnah before `Isha'.

    This is the most rational explanation I could find as to why al-Karkhi (followed up on by many other Hanafi jurists after him, including al-Quduri, unfortunately) said this. However, Takhreej is flawed for the following reasons:
    1. Sunnah is a terminology in Hanafi Fiqh for specifically established Salah from the Sunnah, not via Qiyas or Takhreej or Istinbat
    2. The Zahir of the Hanafi Madhhab goes against what he said. Imam Muhammad says, إنه لا تطوع قبل العشاء، وإن فعل لا بأس به, i.e. there is nothing specific before `Isha, but if he reads a random Nafl, it is ok
    3. Imam Abu Hanifah's position is not actually "4-4-4 is the best Nafl in the night", but this needs to be investigated into further.
    4. (a) For the Hanafis, the Hadith "Between every Adhan and Iqamah is Salah" means nothing apart from proving the legitimacy of that Salah, i.e. Nafl is allowed in this period (which is why - we Hanafis say - the Prophet said in the end لمن شاء, and this is a Nass that this is not a legislation for Sunniyyah, but a legislation for mere permissibility). (b) Furthermore, this is a general Hadith and nothing specific with `Isha, when in fact we need a specific statement from the Madhhab or a Hadith that proves there is something before `Isha. (c) Had this Hadith been there to prove the Sunniyyah of Salah before `Isha, it can be used as evidence against the Hanafi Madhhab that does not consider any Salah to be Sunnah before Maghrib. However, given that this Hadith only proves mere permissibility, the Hanafis now have a green card to exclude Salah before Maghrib from the scope of permissibility to undesirability based on other evidences.

    In addition, let me say:
    5. Al-Mawsili, author of al-Ikhtiyar which is Sharh of his book al-Mukhtar in Hanafi Fiqh, even went to quote a baseless Hadith to prove there was something special before `Isha!
    6. Al-Samarqandi in his book Tuhfatul Fuqahaa, despite it being an increment on Mukhtasar al-Quduri (where it says there are 4 Sunnah before `Isha) said that the correct is the Zahir 'l-Riwayah, i.e. without the 4 Sunnah.
     
  13. Abu Osaama

    Abu Osaama <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    The Sunnah of Rasool Allah peace be upon him is 2 rakat between adhaan and iqaamah for whoever wills, then 4 rakat salatul isha, then 2 rakat afterwards raatibah.

    After that is qiyam Al Layl, the very least being 1 rakat witr.
     
  14. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    Alhamdulillah, this cleared up alot for me, jazakallahu khayran.
     
  15. Ismail Ibrahim

    Ismail Ibrahim Formerly Harris Hammam

    Let me also add to point number 5 another similar point:

    Maulana Dr. Ilyas Faisal wrote a book called Namaze Peyambar in Urdu. This has been translated in English (I won't post the PDF here). He wrote back in hi sdays at Madinah University in the 80s, and those were the days when I think Ihsan Ilahi Zaheer were there. Maulana Ilyas (who is paralysed due to an accident that happened several years ago in Ramadan) is extremely polarised that he left no stone unturned in proving his point in the traditional Paksitani Deobandi way. To this end, he attempted to evidence the specialty of Four Rak`ah before `Isha with the following:

    4 Rakaats Before Salaat al-Isha

    Hazrat Sa’eed Ibn Jubair (radhiallahu anhu) narrates that the Sahaabah (radhiallahu anhum) used to regard the performing of four rakats before the fardh of isha as mustahab.

    [Qiyaamul-Layl of Marwazi pg.58]


    Upon checking this reference, I managed to find it - except that it was a Sanad-less Athar!!!
     

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