Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Maiwand Al-Afghani, Jun 15, 2012.
Who is the brother?
It is me. Maiwand Al-Afghani
And that is my youtube channel: europistan - YouTube
As Salamu Alaykum..
How can you say that you love ikhwan and ht?
Do you know anything about these groups?
Are you throwing him off the manhaj?
Sorry Maiwand, it's over, you have been excommunicated.
I am sorry to say, but your response is rather foolish and immature.
Furthermore, who has excommunicated him.
Allah is my witness and so is everybody who reads this thread. At no point did I make takfeer of Maiwand and at no point did I even imply it.
If you are implying that I did, then you are a slanderer and you should repent from your evil sin and retract your lie at once.
Indeed, sometimes when you highlight the mentality of people, it can only come out in words that display the immaturity of the whole situation.
I am not implying that you made takfir, so your emotional exaggeration can be put on the shelf for now.
I thought it was clear, after my first sentence, the context within which I was using it, but, alas, it wasn't, so here it is-
Maiwand spent a lot of time trying to prove his credentials to the various movements with these videos. Now, he mentions HT and MB in some sort of a positive light, daring to use the word love (for Muslims) and you (and surely soon to be others outside of the IA world) are onto him like there's no time to be wasted in the effort with your inquisition.
How dare he say such things! When he says ridiculous things on the other side of the spectrum though- silence...
I have met people belonging to some really strange and bizarre factions and groups. I have rarely seen anyone who is not sincere and not convinced that whatever he is doing is pleasing Allah. Naqshbandi Sufis, Qadiris, Barelwis, Sohrawardi's, Twelver Shi'ites and others.
Just because someone says he loves Islam and he exerts himself to please Allah, we can't just endorse them and have unconditional love for him.
I am not saying Al Muhajiroun ( straatdawa, sharia4holland, fursan al izza etc) are like Barelwis. But what I am saying is that they all share the same love and passion for Islam as we do.
The difference is in knowledge, and wisdom. Because they follow some misguided principles and act against the Sunnah, or harm the dawah, people dislike them. Not because they love Islam.
So when you accuse people of hating Islam and hating shariah just because they speak out against some of the stupidity and ignorance of al Muhajiroun, you are falling into Hizbiyyah.
You assume that anyone who disagrees with those people, must be a kafir. And you have stated that before, even dough I believe you don't even know what you were saying when you wrote that.
Buttom line is, we don't give unconditional love and allegiance to people just because their passionate about Islam. Loyalty is of different kinds. I have more love and loyalty for a scholar who is quite and humble but knowledgeable than a few guys who go around waving flags and chanting stuff without even knowing what they are doing.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but next time don't be so loose with your words,especially if it involves takfeer and it is done on a public forum.
I am judging Maiwand according to his principle, not mine.
As it is, I have defended Maiwand in other threads when others were attacking him from all angles. Here, I was questioning his love for groups like ikhwani - who make shirk with Allah and HT with their spiritual bankruptcy.
I am not sure if this is due to his "take the good and leave the bad" principle but at some point it started getting more ridiculous than I thought.
Look up the word excommunication
No need to look such mundane words up.
Every post in this thread aside from FB's and Maiwands should be moved to one that is entitled 'The Evils of Sarcasm and Why It's Prohibited'.
And if the shock and sincerely offended response of Brother A wasn't enough to show that one instance of sarcasm wasn't enough, he gets a second unhealthy dose:
Sarcasm is Haram and it leads to unnecessary disputes and misunderstandings.
I've managed to rid my house of it by simply changing my behavior and reminding my family of the ruling on it.
Can we please work to change our online homes as well?
I think this is a perfectly reasonable question to ask - and I think TheUmmahStridesForward overreacted a little in his response to this.
As far as I can see, all he is asking is if he knows what these groups are about.
And the assumption that he is making tabdee' is a little far-fetched because in other threads he is defending Maiwand.
Anyway, may Allah forgive us all - I know I myself overreact like this at times too without meaning to so inshallah no harm is done.
Talking about sarcasm.
An activist in the town square invited me into his space for a cup of coffee some time ago.
After entering the tent and greeting the occupants somebody said rather dryly "give him a jug of beer."
I didn't know the guy and so I responded "I don't drink."
He then got annoyed and blurted "It was supposed to be sarcasm for God's sake."
Well, if it was, then I didn't get it.
Moreover, if its not done properly then it is lost on it's intended target.
Even if it is permissible then it should be used sparingly and by those who are adept at using it.
For any hurt or confusion I have caused unfairly, I apologise.
I think my first post was misunderstood and taken in the wrong way, but If I do have an uncultured or disrespectful way of conversing, again, I apologise.
As for me becoming 'brother a' in the evidence for another brothers debate he is having on the forum over whether Sarcasm is haram or not. Allahu A'alam. I ask Allah to forgive me and everyone who sees this, and everyone they love Ameen.
Ameen. May Allah AWJ forgive all of us. Ameen.
I had no intention of indirectly involving you in that debate.
Literally seconds after pushing 'Post Quick Reply' in my post, I thought to myself that there are likely hundreds of examples of my own behavior on this forum more worthy of being first on a thread entitled 'Sarcasm and Its Evils'.
اللهم اغفر لي
May Allah forgive us all brother.
Maybe I've missed something here, but is there any evidence for that? If this is the case then I'm in abit of trouble.
I think the brother is referring to "Sukhriya" wa Allahu A'lam. See Al-Qur'an Sourah 49 Ayaah 11 يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا يَسْخَرْ قَومٌ مِّن قَوْمٍ عَسَى أَن يَكُونُوا خَيْراً مِّنْهُمْ وَلَا نِسَاء مِّن نِّسَاء عَسَى أَن يَكُنَّ خَيْراً مِّنْهُنَّ وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ بِئْسَ الاِسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ 11. O you who believe! Let not some people among you deride another people; it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor let some women deride other women; it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor defame one another (and provoke the same for yourselves in retaliation); nor insult one another with nicknames . Evil is using names with vile meaning after ( have accepted) the faith . Whoever does not turn to God in repentance , those are indeed wrongdoers.
Separate names with a comma.