New Years...

Discussion in 'Islam in General' started by Umm Waraqa Bluebell, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. Umm Waraqa Bluebell

    Umm Waraqa Bluebell kalimat al-ikhlaas

    Q: What is the ruling on celebrating Christmas & New Year?

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said
    in his commentary on the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), "And
    those who do not witness falsehood [al-zoor]." [al-Furqaan 25:72]:
    As regards the festivals of the mushrikeen: they combine confusion,
    physical desires and falsehood, there is nothing in them that is of any
    religious benefit, and the instant gratification involved in them only
    ends up in pain. Thus they are falsehood, and witnessing them means
    attending them.

    This aaayah itself praises and commends (those who do not witness
    falsehood), which has the meaning of urging people to avoid taking
    part in their festivals and other kinds of falsehood. We understand
    that it is bad to attend their festivals because they are called al-zoor

    It indicates that it is haraam to do this for many reasons, because
    Allaah has called it al-zoor. Allaah condemns the one who speaks
    falsehood [al-zoor] even if no-one else is harmed by it, as in the
    aayah forbidding zihaar [a form of divorce in which the man says to
    his wife "You are to me like the back of my mother"], where He says
    (interpretation of the meaning): ". And verily, they utter an ill word
    and a lie [zooran]." [al-Mujaadilah 58:2]. And Allaah says
    (interpretation of the meaning): ". So shun the abomination of idols,
    and shun lying speech (false statements) [al-zoor]." [al-Hajj 22:30].
    So the one who does al-zoor is condemned in this fashion.

    In the Sunnah: Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him)
    said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
    upon him) came [to Madeenah] and they had two days in which they
    would (relax and) play. He said, "What are these two days?" They
    said, "We used to play (on these two days) during the Jaahiliyyah."
    The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
    him) said: "Allaah has given you something better instead of them:
    Yawm al-Duhaa [Eid al-Adha] and Yawm al-Fitr [Eid al-
    Fitr]." (Reported by Abu Dawood).

    This indicates clearly that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah
    be upon him) definitely forbade his ummah to celebrate the festivals
    of the kuffaar, and he strove to wipe them out by all possible means.
    The fact that the religion of the People of the Book is accepted does
    not mean that their festivals are approved of or should be preserved
    by the ummah, just as the rest of their kufr and sins are not approved
    of. Indeed, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
    went to great lengths to command his ummah to be different from
    them in many issues that are mubaah (permitted) and in many ways of
    worship, lest that lead them to be like them in other matters too. This
    being different was to be a barrier in all aspects, because the more
    different you are from the people of Hell, the less likely you are to do
    the acts of the people of Hell.

    The first of them is: The hadeeth "Every people has its festival, and
    this is our festival" implies exclusivity, that every people has its own
    festival, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): "For every
    nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers)
    ." [al-Baqarah 2:148] and ". To each among you, We have
    prescribed a law and a clear way." [al-Maa'idah 5:48]. This
    implies that each nation has its own ways. The laam in li-kulli ["for
    every", "to each"] implies exclusivity. So if the Jews have a festival
    and the Christians have a festival, it is just for them, and we should
    not have any part in it, just as we do not share their qiblah (direction
    of prayer) or their laws.

    The second of them is: one of the conditions set out by 'Umar ibn al-
    Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) and agreed upon by the
    Sahaabah and by all the Fuqaha' after them is: that those of the
    People of the Book who have agreed to live under Islamic rule (ahl
    al-dhimmah) should not celebrate their festivals openly in Daar al-
    Islam (lands under Islamic rule). If the Muslims have agreed to
    prevent them from celebrating openly, how could it be right for the
    Muslims to celebrate them? If a Muslim celebrates them, is that not
    worse than if a kaafir does so openly?

    The only reason that we forbade them to celebrate their festivals
    openly is because of the corruption involved in them, because of the
    sin or symbols of sin. In either case, the Muslim is forbidden from sin
    or the symbols of sin. Even if there was no evil involved apart from
    the kaafir feeling encouraged to celebrate openly because of the
    Muslim's actions, how can a Muslim do that? The evil involved (in
    their festivals) will be explained below, in sha Allaah.
    Al-Bayhaqi reported with a saheeh isnaad in Baab karaahiyat aldukhool
    'ala ahl al-dhimmah fi kanaa'isihim wa'l-tashabbuh bihim yawmi nawroozihim
    wa maharjaanihim (Chapter on the abhorrence
    of entering the churches of ahl al-dhimmah on the occasion of their
    New Year and other celebrations): From Sufyaan al-Thawri from
    Thawr ibn Yazeed from 'Ata' ibn Deenaar who said: 'Umar said: "Do
    not learn the language of the non-Arabs, do not enter upon the
    mushrikeen in their churches on their feast-days, for the wrath (of
    Allaah) is descending upon them."
    'Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: "Avoid the enemies of Allaah on their

    By Sajid Ahmed Umar
  2. Umm Waraqa Bluebell

    Umm Waraqa Bluebell kalimat al-ikhlaas

    t was reported with a saheeh isnaad from Abu Usaamah: ‘Awn told
    us from Abu’l-Mugheerah from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr: “Whoever
    lives in the land of the non-Arabs and celebrates their New Year and
    their festivals, and imitates them until he dies in that state, will be
    gathered with them on the Day of Resurrection.”

    ‘Umar forbade learning their languages, and even entering their
    churches on the day of their festival, so how about doing some of the
    things they do on those days, or doing things that are a part of their
    religion? Is not going along with their actions worse than learning
    their language? Is not doing some of the things they do on their
    festival worse than just entering upon them? If divine wrath is
    descending upon them on the day of their festival because of what
    they do, then is not the one who does what they do, or a part of it, also
    exposed to the same punishment? Do not the words “Avoid the
    enemies of Allaah on their festivals” mean that we should not meet
    them or join them on those days? So how about the one who actually
    celebrates their festivals?

    ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr clearly stated: “Whoever lives in the land of
    the non-Arabs and celebrates their New Year and their festivals, and
    imitates them until he dies in that state, will be gathered with them on
    the Day of Resurrection.”

    This implies that the one who joins in with them in all of these
    matters is a kaafir, or that doing this is one of the major sins
    (kabaa’ir) that will doom one to Hell; the former meaning is what is
    apparent from the wording.

    He mentioned – and Allaah knows best – the one who lives in their
    land, because at the time of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr and the other
    Sahaabah, they used to forbid open celebration of kaafir festivals in
    the Muslim lands, and none of the Muslims imitated them in their
    festivals; that was possible only when living in the lands of the

    ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) refused to even acknowledge
    the name of their festivals which were exclusively theirs, so how
    about actually celebrating them?

    Ahmad mentioned the meaning of the reports narrated from ‘Umar
    and ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them) on this topic, and his
    companions discussed the matter of festivals.

    Imaam Abu’l-Hasan al-Aamidi said: the one who is known as Ibn al-
    Baghdaadi said in his book ‘Umdat al-Haadir wa Kifaayat al-
    Musaafir: “It is not permitted to attend the festivals of the Christians
    and Jews. Ahmad stated this in the report of Muhannaa, and his
    evidence for that is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And
    those who do not witness falsehood [al-zoor]…’ [al-Furqaan 25:72].
    He said: (This is) al-Sha’aaneen and their festivals. He said: The
    Muslims are to be prevented from entering upon them in their
    synagogues and churches.”

    From Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalifat Ashaab al-Jaheem by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn
    Taymiyah, p. 183.
  3. abdulR

    abdulR New Member

    very good, was talking to someone about this issue and this is an excellent talk by Ibn Taymiyyah.
  4. Umm

    Umm New Member

    My little daughter just asked if it's true that today is New Year's Eid.
    Made me laugh, it seems she thought she was in for more presents.
  5. Captain Gora

    Captain Gora RefuteEverythingThatMoves

    I was wondering about this in the light of the tafdil and taqdis issue. Maybe Abuz Zubair could give us his opinion as he once brought this up.

    My guess is that there's no taqdis in celebrating new year (well, atleast around here) but there seems to be tafdil of it (which seems to be indicated by the new year's promise and the "this day is the day of change" thingy and the big big party which has to be demonstrated by fireworks etc).
  6. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    The entire Arab world, including many scholars congratulate each other saying: Kull 'Aam wa antum bi khayr (which is grammatically wrong anyway).

    I haven't heard of any scholar criticising people over it except Sh Salih al-Fawzan who called it a bid'a.

    I am not disputing the prohibition of New Years Eve, but only mentioning it as a fact that it happens in the Muslim world and people do 'celebrate' it by saying: Kull Aam wa Antum Bi Khayr without a word of criticism from the scholars (except for Sh Salih al-Fawzan)

    This shows that the prohibition of celebrating new years eve is NOT because we only have two Eids and therefore, cannot have a 3rd recurring non-religious celebration. Rather, the prohibition mentioned by 'Abdullah b. Amr was specifically referring to Nayruz, which is a new year for the fire worshippers, i.e. it is a religious festival.

    Besides, Iqtidha al-Sirat is a lot longer than a couple of pages and the passage where he mentions taqdees and tafdeel is central to understanding this issue.

    This whole issue of celebration is like the issue of tashabbuh, i.e. we cannot imitate a people in their khasa'is - things which distinguish them from all other religions. I.e. we cannot wear skull caps because they are particularly for the Jews. If tomorrow, however, they are no longer identified with the skull cap, it becomes permissible for the Muslims to wear it to, just as the prayer hats we wear today, were once a distinguishing sign for the Jews, on the basis of which the companions forbade people from wearing them.

    Similarly, celebrations that are particular to certain religions or ideologies are Haram for us take part in. But other non-religious or non-ideological celebrations, like a company celebrating its financial year, for example, is perfectly ok. A birthday is no different.
  7. Umm Waraqa Bluebell

    Umm Waraqa Bluebell kalimat al-ikhlaas

    Are we allowed to go to birthday dinners? And take a present?

    Im suffering. The lady next doors been screeching to abba for the past hour. I dont think i've ever hated new years eve this much ppl.
  8. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Hamdulilah,the cretins of S.London were reasonably quite this New Years,The Yardie drug dealer and mouthy slapper of a woman i.e him gyal next door is testing me though..
  9. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    Are you saying that a birthday is not a religious celebration?
  10. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    for some it may be for others it may not be.

    As I said previously, if a father feels happy that his son turned one, and decides to bring home some cake and crisps, he is effectively 'celebrating' birthday. But according to Shaykh Haytham, that is okay, as long as he doesn't do it on a large scale (if you remember, you were there too)
  11. Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari

    Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Sincere advice to brothers and sisters. Do not take opinion of Abuz Zubair on the issue of birthdays and celebrations.

    Stay away from all the festivals of Kuffaar and do not heed to the "half of the Muslim world" or "99% of the Muslim world" if you have doubts. It does not matter if 99% Muslims do this or that. It just shows the level of Jahiliyya spread in the society.

    Your very own Fitrah is telling you clearly to stay away from all the new years, company financial years, birthdays and other Kaafir rubbish.

    You will do a great good to yourself by not following very dangerous Fatawas of Abuz Zubair on this issue.
  12. Umm

    Umm New Member

    Birthdays originated according to some from pagan roots, according to others from celebrating the saint's day you were named for. They no longer hold religious significance for most. Where do you draw the line? For most people, Xmas has no religious significance. Likewise Halloween, Valentine's day etc.

    And if there is no record of the Muslims at the time of rasoolullah (SAW) modestly celebrating their birthday, or wedding anniversary, isn't that an indication that we shouldn't be doing it?

    Why is there this differentiation? We have been ordered not to be extravagant in all things. If a person is celebrating their child's birthday, what does it matter if it's on a small or large scale.
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2010
  13. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    What AZ is doing is more dangerous than Quilliam.

    The latter promotes secularization in one go, the former by stealth, exactly how the shaytaan works.
  14. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Smaller scale? Larger scale?

    Hmmm. :confused:

    My guess is that smaller scale is the lesser of two evils?
  15. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Think about it.

    Hundreds of millions of Christians make a RELIGIOUS celebration out of Nabi Isa's (AS) birthday.

    Tens of millions of Sufis celebrate Milad Un Nabi - the birthday of Muhammad(saas.)
    Many of these deviant sufis also celebrate the birthdays and urs of their dead pirs.

    There is still a lot of religiosity left in birthday celebrations.

    The masses are generally steeped in jahiliya.

    If you make a fatwa for them to celebrate their own son's birthday.

    In a few generations time who knows what they will be celebrating.

    Read the story of Nuh(AS.) The people at that time did not immediately start worshiping idols. Their shirk happened gradually, the generations before them each introduced something new to the deen until eventually they were overcome by shirk akbar, so much so that they rejected one of the elevated prophets of Allah which led to their destruction.

    Allahu Alim
  16. Abu Tourab

    Abu Tourab Formerly MilkSheikh

    I wonder what the lajnah would have to say about this...
  17. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    Yes, I remember.

    I didn't agree with him because of his division between small scale and large scale. If it is OK aslan, then what's the problem in celebrating in style? How would that affect the ruling? If its because of israaf then surely that applies universally anyway.

    That's one issue, the second is our understanding of religion itself. If it is in terms of a specific set of rites, then yes, I see your point, but to me it has a much wider definition than that.

    Thirdly, as far as I know, birthdays have not historically been celebrated by the Muslims until the last fifty years ago or so. That is enough in and of itself for me to shun it at least.
  18. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    We know the answer to that.
  19. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    Come on bro - that is just too harsh.

    I disagree with him, but I can see why he is saying it and I respect his view.

    To compare that to Quilliam is nuts.
  20. Umm

    Umm New Member

    It's a gross injustice to compare Abu Zubair to Ed and Maj.

    With an increasingly secular society, all religious celebrations are losing their religious aspect and are just an excuse to splash out and get together.

    I wish I could see the Muslims doing aqiqah parties. This is becoming an increasingly forgotten sunnah.

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