Not praying Salah is Kufr?

Discussion in 'Islamic Law' started by Abou_Tourab, Jun 17, 2007.

  1. Abou_Tourab

    Abou_Tourab New Member

    assalam alaykoum

    I'm looking for a english translation of the book entitled Hukm tarik as salât written by cheikh al albani.

    Somebody have some link ?
     
  2. Umm Ahmed

    Umm Ahmed 2C oursels as ithers C us

    wa 'alaykum asalaam.

    The phrophets prayer described do you mean ? if thats what your looking for , below has the link for that.

    http://www.dar-us-salam.com/images/R01-Prophet'sPrayer.jpg
     
  3. 'Alaykum as-Salam;

    No, it is a different book than the one describing the prayer. al-Albani had a separate book about the ruling on abandoning the prayer.

    I've never seen it in English, though.
     
  4. Abou_Tourab

    Abou_Tourab New Member

    assalam alaykoum

    baraka Allahou fikoum Umm-Ahmed wa Abu Sabaayaa
     
  5. ykhan

    ykhan New Member

    waalaykm as salaam akhi,

    There is a much better book written by Imaam Ibn ul Qayyim on the very same topic akhi which goes into more detail on related topics.

    Wallahu aalim.
     
  6. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    and it also endorses the other opinion, that the tarik as salah is a kafir
     
  7. Tuwaylib

    Tuwaylib Anti-Defeatist

    questions on 'tark as-salah'

    It seems to be a solitary opinion of the hanbalis that tark as-salah is kufr akbar.

    is the pronouncement of him/her of who abandons salah being kafir automatic? or is it similar to the one (according to the mashaykh of najd) who comits shirk akbar; ala dhahir he is kafir and the dunyawi hujjah is for the hadd?

    from what i learned the imam must call this person to pray and if he does not respond he is jailed for 3 days and threatened with execution. And after all that he would be killed as a murtad. (so during this period of time would the jailed one be considered kafir?)

    practically speaking if someone was jailed and threatened because he left prayer, i doubt there would exist a person who would remain stuborn enough to invite execution.

    also the hadith mentions 'as-salah' so abandonment of total salah what i understood...is this correct? or what are the opinions of the various scholars on this?

    and finally it mentions 'tark' - abandoning or leaving, linguisticually would this not neccessitate that the person prayed at one point in his/her life? i mean what a person grows up 'muslim' but was never really taught the importance of salah, he commits no shirk... would he be considered as one who 'abandoned' salah?

    jazakumAllahu khair
     
  8. Abu Hafsa

    Abu Hafsa New Member

  9. Tuwaylib

    Tuwaylib Anti-Defeatist

    interesting article.......however it does not answer my more pointed questions regarding the actual meaning of 'abandoning' and issue of being jailed and etc. other than that it was beneficial and i never seen an article in which the author distinguishes been tarik as-salah and tarik al muhafadhah
     
  10. tasfiya

    tasfiya New Member

    Can you read arabic proficiently akhi.?
     
  11. Die for Allah

    Die for Allah TIOCFAIDH AR LA

    A knowledgeable brother recently told us of a conversation which took place between Imam Shafi and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal relating to the issue.

    Imam Shafi asked how would the one who has become a kaafir due to abandoning the salah become a muslim again? To which Imam Ahmad replied that he would need to repeat his shahada, so Imam Shafi said well he already says his shahada, so Imam Ahmad said that he would need to establish the salah, Imam Shafi said but the salah of a kaafir is not accepted.

    The brother didnt tell us if Imam Ahmad gave a response to the last statement of Imam Shafi.


    wasalam
     
  12. Expergefactionist

    Expergefactionist hmmm... Staff Member

    I don't think the incident is authentic.
     
  13. Die for Allah

    Die for Allah TIOCFAIDH AR LA

    Ok akhi,I thought it was a nice little conversation never the less.

    wasalam
     
  14. Tuwaylib

    Tuwaylib Anti-Defeatist

    depends on the topic..... when i first studied al waraqat for example i was lost both in the science and the language....

    but on a general level i keep a hans wehr handy.
     
  15. Tuwaylib

    Tuwaylib Anti-Defeatist

    Is the pronouncement of kufr automatic??

    Also if he is considered kafir for these three days, does he make up the Salah missed?

    How exactly did shaykh al Islam's opinion differ? did he not require the person to be called by the Imam or his representatives to pray? and majority of the Salaf whom, from what i know considered tarik as-salah as a kafir; did they get into to the details I have mentioned above?

    jazakAllahu khair
     
  16. FazliMuharem

    FazliMuharem New Member

    Not praying is kufr

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    Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
    Not praying is kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. If he has a wife,then his marriage to her is annulled,meat slaughtered by him is not permissible,his fasting and charity will not be accepted,and it is not permissible for him to go to Makkah and enter the Haram; if he dies it is not permissible for him to be washed or shrouded,or the funeral prayer to be offered for him,or for him to be buried with the Muslims.Rather he should be taken out into the desert,and a ditch dug for him,and he should be buried into it. If a person’s relative dies and he knows that he did not pray, it is not permissible for him to deceive the people by bringing him to them for them to offer the funeral prayer for him,because offering the funeral prayer for a kaafir is haraam, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    وَلا تُصَلِّ عَلَى أَحَدٍ مِنْهُمْ مَاتَ أَبَدًا وَلا تَقُمْ عَلَى قَبْرِهِ إِنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَمَاتُوا وَهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ
    “And never (O Muhammad pbuh) pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (hypocrites) who dies,nor stand at his grave.Certainly they disbelieved in Allaah and His Messenger,and died while they were Faasiqoon (rebellious,
    disobedient to Allaah and His Messenger pbuh)” [al-Tawbah 9:84]

    مَا كَانَ لِلنَّبِيِّ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنْ يَسْتَغْفِرُوا لِلْمُشْرِكِينَ وَلَوْ كَانُوا أُولِي قُرْبَى مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمْ أَنَّهُمْ أَصْحَابُ الْجَحِيمِ“It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the Mushrikoon,even though they be of kin,after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)”[al-Tawbah 9:113]
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    Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
    Anybody who is accountable and dies when he is not praying, is a disbeliever; he should not be washed,the funeral prayer should not be offered for him and he should not be buried in the Muslim graveyard; his relatives do not inherit from him, rather his wealth belongs to the bayt al-maal of the Muslims according to the more correct scholarly view,because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said in this saheeh hadeeth:
    “Between a man and shirk and kufr there stands his giving up prayer.”. Narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh;
    And because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said:
    “The covenant that stands between us and them is prayer; whoever does not pray has disbelieved.” narrated by Imam Ahmad and the authors of al-Sunan with a saheeh isnaad,from Buraydah (may Allaah be pleased with him).
    Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (10/250).

    His friend became an atheist then he died.
    Can he offer the funeral prayer for him and say du’aa’ for him?
    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/127296

    A friend of mine who died a few days ago was born to a muslim family and raised as a muslim but the last few years he has been a non-muslim, i.e. claiming himself to be an atheist and not believing in our religion at all.We have had verbal fights about this as well. I was wondering if it's ok to pray for him and go to his funeral since his family is having an islamic funeral. Please let me know as soon as possible. Thank you for your advice in advance.

    Praise be to Allaah.
    If the matter is as you describe,and your friend became an atheist and did not believe in Islam,and he died in that state, as appears to be the case,then it is not permissible for the one who knew his situation to offer the funeral prayer for him or to say du’aa’ for him,or to wash him or shroud him or bury him in the Muslim graveyard,because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    مَا كَانَ لِلنَّبِيِّ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنْ يَسْتَغْفِرُوا لِلْمُشْرِكِينَ وَلَوْ كَانُوا أُولِي قُرْبَى مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمْ أَنَّهُمْ أَصْحَابُ الْجَحِيمِ“It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the Mushrikoon, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)” [al-Tawbah 9:113]

    وَلا تُصَلِّ عَلَى أَحَدٍ مِنْهُمْ مَاتَ أَبَدًا وَلا تَقُمْ عَلَى قَبْرِهِ إِنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَمَاتُوا وَهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ
    “And never (O Muhammad pray (funeral prayer) for any of them (hypocrites) who dies, nor stand at his grave.Certainly they disbelieved in Allaah and His Messenger,and died while they were Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah and His Messenger)” [al-Tawbah 9:84].

    Muslim (976) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said:
    The messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) said:
    “I asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother but He did not give me permission. And I asked Him for permission to visit her grave and He gave me permission.”
    This is evidence that it is not permissible to say du’aa’ for one who died in a state of shirk or kufr.
    See also question number 7869 and 7867.

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    Question:
    Attending a non-Muslim neighbor's funeral:
    According to one hadith of the Prophet(pbuh)ralated by Tabarani regarding the rights neighbors it says:
    "The rights of the neighbor is that,when he is sick you visit him; when he dies,you go to his funeral;......"
    Since this hadith is talking about neighbors and the neighbor can be a non-muslim,
    so is it permissible for the Muslim to attend a non-Muslim's funeral?
    Please shed light on this issue in accordance with the Qur'an and the Hadith.
    Also this issue is very important for the new Muslims whose parents have not accepted Islam. Is it permissible to attend a funeral for the non-Muslim parents?
    May Allah (swt) bless you. Ameen.
    Answer:
    Praise be to Allaah.
    It is permissible for a Muslim to attend a kaafir’s funeral if the kaafir is a relative,
    such as a mother,father, brother or other relative,but it is not permissible to join in the prayers or any other rites of their religion.
    Zakariya al-Ansaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
    “He may (i.e., it is allowed for the Muslim and is not makrooh) attend in the funeral of a kaafir relative, because of the report narrated by Abu Dawood from ‘Ali who said, ‘When Abu Taalib died,I came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, ‘Your uncle,the misguided old man, has died.’ He said, ‘Go and bury him.’” (Reported by al-Nisaa'i, 190).
    As for visiting graves, in al-Majmoo’ it says:
    “The correct view is that this is permissible,and most scholars said this,because of the hadeeth narrated by Muslim in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
    ‘I asked my Lord for permission to ask for forgiveness for my mother, and He did not give me permission; I asked Him for permission to visit her grave,and He gave me permission.’ (Asnaa al-Mataalib Sharh Rawd al-Taalib, part 1,Fasl: Mashiy al-Mashee’ li’l-Janaazah).

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    It was narrated in a saheeh hadeeth that Naajiyah ibn Ka’b narrated that ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him),Your old,misguided uncle has died (he was referring to his father Abu Taalib). Who will bury him?’
    He said, ‘Go and bury your father.” said, ‘I will not bury him, for he died as a mushrik.’
    He said, ‘Go and bury him, then do not do anything until you come to me.’
    So I went and buried him, then I came to him with traces of dust and earth on me. He told me to wash myself, then he made du’aa’ for me in words that were more precious to me than everything on earth.”

    The Shaikh al-Albaani said,commenting on this hadeeth:
    1– It is allowed for the Muslim to take care of the burial of his mushrik relatives. That does not cancel out his hatred of their shirk. Do you not see that ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) initially refused to bury his father for that very reason, as he said,“he died as a mushrik.”He thought that if he buried him when this was the case,that this was included in the forbidden kind of friendship as referred to in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا تَتَوَلَّوْا قَوْمًا غَضِبَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ قَدْ يَئِسُوا مِنَ الآخِرَةِ كَمَا يَئِسَ الْكُفَّارُ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ الْقُبُورِ
    “O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allaah” [al-Mumtahinah 60:13]

    When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repeated the command to bury his father,he hastened to obey him and he gave up the notion that had initially occurred to him.This is what obedience means: that a person gives up his opinion in response to the command of his Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It seems to me that a son’s burying his mushrik father or mother is the last act of good companionship that the son can do for his mushrik parent in this world. But after the burial,he cannot make du’aa’ for him or pray for forgiveness for him,because of the unambiguous words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the Mushrikoon, even though they be of kin”[al-Tawbah 9:113]

    If this is the case,then how can people pray for mercy and forgiveness in the pages of newspapers and magazines for some of the kuffaar,in death announcements for money! Let the one who has any concern for his hereafter fear Allaah.

    2 – It is not prescribed for him to wash or shroud a kaafir,or to offer the funeral prayer over him,even if he was a relative,because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not tell ‘Ali to do that. If that were permissible, he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have said so, because it is well known that it is not permitted for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to delay explaining something at the time when that information is needed. This is the view of the Hanbalis and others.

    3–It is not prescribed for the relatives of a mushrik to follow his funeral, because
    the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that in the case of his uncle, although he was the one who was the most kind and compassionate towards him,and he even prayed to Allaah to make his punishment the lightest punishment in Hell.
    In all of that there is a lesson for those who are deceived by pride in their lineage and who do not strive for their Hereafter with their Lord.Allaah indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
    فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ فَلا أَنْسَابَ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَلا يَتَسَاءَلُونَ
    “There will be no kinship among them that Day,nor will they ask of one another” [al-Mu’minoon 23:101]

    (al-Silsilah al-Saheehah,by Shaikh al-Albaani,no.161)

    Muharem ibn Shaban ibn Fazli
    Melbourne - Australia.
     
  17. Ayman bin Khaled

    Ayman bin Khaled الفقير الى الله

    My respected brother,

    THis is indeed the Hanbali view over this matter. However, the majority of scholars state otherwise i.e. It is not a Kufr that nulify one's Islam.

    This has been already pointed out in my previus post ina thread about this topic!

    Barak Allahu feekum
     
  18. Brother Ayman,

    What about the Ijmaa3 of the Sahabah? Or is it only a supposed Ijmaa3 (claim), that doesn't actually exist?

    Also, can ( if the Ijmaa3 is correct) we say that the other Imams were effected by the Murjiah, that it is Shaadh, and that it is a bid'ah?

    Fi Amani Allah

    Note: Al Qaradawi is also from those notable Scholars that opinion to the Kufr of the one who doesn't pray.
     
  19. Sharif

    Sharif Transient Traveler

    I had compiled a list of various materials in English in regards to the issue of tarik as-salaah, containing the arguments of each position:

    http://forums.islamicawakening.com/228129-post65.html

    Shaykh, what do you say about these narrations?
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2009
  20. Ayman bin Khaled

    Ayman bin Khaled الفقير الى الله

    These are taken from Ibn al-Qaiym (رحمه الله) book Tarik al-Salaat. Actually, all arguments you will read are actually based on Ibn Qaim work and there nothing new that anyone can add to his work. So, yes I am so aware of them. However, all these texts pour into the actual Hadeeth "The vow that is betwees us (i.e. Muslims) and them (i.e. Disbelivers) is Salata. whoeever abandons it then he had comitted Kufr".

    You should realize if this is as clear as it seems and that there was an Ijmaa' of companion as claimed about this then you would not find the majority view opposite to it!! Also, there si a hadeeth that clearly states that who does not pray, his destiny is up to Allah i..e to enter him Jannah or punish him and we know that Kafir will never enter Jannah.

    Wallahu A'lam
     

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